Beings in the darkness. Who are they are?

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From AN 4:127 - Paṭhama Tathāgata-accariyasuttaṃ

"Bhikkhus, when the future enlightened one leaves the heaven of Happiness to enter the mother's womb a great light appears in this world of gods and men, Māra, Brahma, recluses and Brahmins. That light surpasses the splendour of gods. The pitch darkness in the outer spaces of the worlds, where even the moon and sun so powerful do not penetrate, get lighted up and beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there. At the arising of the Thus Gone One, worthy and rightfully enlightened, this is the first wonderful and surprising thing that arises."

Do these beings included in any of 31 planes of existence?
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khemindas wrote: beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there
this is a reference to hell
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cappuccino wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:15 pm
khemindas wrote: beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there
this is a reference to hell
Hells usually described in a different ways in suttas at Devaduta sutta - MN 130 for example.
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:shrug:
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Aliens?
“His deliverance, being founded upon truth, is unshakeable. For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.

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khemindas wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:16 pm From AN 4:127 - Paṭhama Tathāgata-accariyasuttaṃ

"Bhikkhus, when the future enlightened one leaves the heaven of Happiness to enter the mother's womb a great light appears in this world of gods and men, Māra, Brahma, recluses and Brahmins. That light surpasses the splendour of gods. The pitch darkness in the outer spaces of the worlds, where even the moon and sun so powerful do not penetrate, get lighted up and beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there. At the arising of the Thus Gone One, worthy and rightfully enlightened, this is the first wonderful and surprising thing that arises."

Do these beings included in any of 31 planes of existence?
Peculiar! This parallel might sheds some light.

https://suttacentral.net/mn123/en/sujato
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They are the brothers and sisters of Cthulu, and other old ones, in their teeming, infested, tentacled lightless black horror.
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:49 pm They are the brothers and sisters of Cthulu, and other old ones, in their teeming, infested, tentacled lightless black horror.
Nonsense! Obviously the 4 Chaos Gods.
“His deliverance, being founded upon truth, is unshakeable. For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.

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JamesTheGiant wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:49 pm They are the brothers and sisters of Cthulu, and other old ones, in their teeming, infested, tentacled lightless black horror.
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khemindas wrote:From AN 4:127 - Paṭhama Tathāgata-accariyasuttaṃ

"Bhikkhus, when the future enlightened one leaves the heaven of Happiness to enter the mother's womb a great light appears in this world of gods and men, Māra, Brahma, recluses and Brahmins. That light surpasses the splendour of gods. The pitch darkness in the outer spaces of the worlds, where even the moon and sun so powerful do not penetrate, get lighted up and beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there. At the arising of the Thus Gone One, worthy and rightfully enlightened, this is the first wonderful and surprising thing that arises."

Do these beings included in any of 31 planes of existence?
Yes, they're hell dwellers. From Ven. Bodhi's note citing Comy's explanation:
Mp: Between every three world systems there is one world interval, which is like the space in the middle of three cart wheels or petals placed so that they touch one another. This world-interval hell (lokantarikanirayo) measures eight thousand yojanas in size.
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santa100 wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:54 pm
khemindas wrote:From AN 4:127 - Paṭhama Tathāgata-accariyasuttaṃ

"Bhikkhus, when the future enlightened one leaves the heaven of Happiness to enter the mother's womb a great light appears in this world of gods and men, Māra, Brahma, recluses and Brahmins. That light surpasses the splendour of gods. The pitch darkness in the outer spaces of the worlds, where even the moon and sun so powerful do not penetrate, get lighted up and beings born there, see light, see each other and know, there are other beings born there. At the arising of the Thus Gone One, worthy and rightfully enlightened, this is the first wonderful and surprising thing that arises."

Do these beings included in any of 31 planes of existence?
Yes, they're hell dwellers. From Ven. Bodhi's note citing Comy's explanation:
Mp: Between every three world systems there is one world interval, which is like the space in the middle of three cart wheels or petals placed so that they touch one another. This world-interval hell (lokantarikanirayo) measures eight thousand yojanas in size.
What is meant by 'entering the mothers' womb'? Is this a reference to parinirvana? Also, what is the heaven of happiness?
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Aloka wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:17 pm .
JamesTheGiant wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:49 pm They are the brothers and sisters of Cthulu, and other old ones, in their teeming, infested, tentacled lightless black horror.
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And they have, at their disposal, various types of worldly attires, opulent and pompous such as top hats and walking sticks.
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NuanceOfSuchness wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:07 pm What is meant by 'entering the mothers' womb'? Is this a reference to parinirvana? Also, what is the heaven of happiness?
Entering the mother's womb refers to Siddhartha Gautama being reborn for the final time. In the lifetime where he became The Buddha.

The heaven of happiness is one of many heavens in the worlds above ours.
It's super nice there. :smile:
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:22 pm
NuanceOfSuchness wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:07 pm What is meant by 'entering the mothers' womb'? Is this a reference to parinirvana? Also, what is the heaven of happiness?
Entering the mother's womb refers to Siddhartha Gautama being reborn for the final time. In the lifetime where he became The Buddha.

The heaven of happiness is one of many heavens in the worlds above ours.
It's super nice there. :smile:
Right. It makes sense now. Thank you.
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On Ajahn Sona's YouTube channel, there is a series of dialogues with Ajahn Punnadhammo on Buddhist cosmology. #9 includes a section on this interworld hell starting at 32:10.
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