Why do people like Dancing?

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Why do people like Dancing?

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:07 am

Why do people like Dancing instead of meditaion?

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:44 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:07 am
Why do people like Dancing instead of meditaion?

Because they get pleasantly out of breath, they get attention, they get applause, they get status, they get money, they get laid.

All these things are in short supply at your local monastery.

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by SteRo » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:14 am

Nice feelings.

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:18 am

Then why do some people chose meditation instead of dancing?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by SteRo » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:30 am

Also due to nice feelings.

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by DarrenM » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:36 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:18 am
Then why do some people chose meditation instead of dancing?
Because there better at it? Im rubbish at dancing, but even worse at meditation, so I dance, :tongue:

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by justindesilva » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:39 am

SteRo wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:14 am
Nice feelings.
Chakkavati sihanada sutta explains 3 types of lust out of which the 2nd is visama lobha. Visama lobha explained as "neurotic desire" is a key emotional factor for dancing. The movements of dancing often western pop dancing such as
disco and in the east baila are meant to be allowing the muscles to move with the beats. It does not help the mind to control the muscles and yet the muscles controlling the mind.
As of meditative practises we train the mind to control the breath and muscular movements.
Dancing , learning from the daughters of mara , is part of giving in to mara , which action lord Buddha totally rejected.
Going by chakkavati sutta dancing is a fetter in developing pragna
Hinduism has directed dancing as a practise of serving God and both and women take to dancing for shiva ishwara and Krishna, and it teaches to move muscles in control with raga of eastern music. It is much better than disco or baila but do not have a meditative effect totally. For meditation we have to still the mind and muscles both.

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:46 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:18 am
Then why do some people chose meditation instead of dancing?
They value different things. As a monk once told me, "peace is an acquired taste".

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by chownah » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:35 pm

Probably a more basic question is to ask why people like music. One aspect of music is rhythm and dancing is most often done with respect to musical rhythm...but not always.....sometimes the rhythm is not associated with music (in some contemporary dance performances for instance)....and some really modern dancers perform arhythmic dance but not everyone agrees that this is dance at all. Also, there are some rhythmic work patterns in many repetitive work tasks which can be experienced just like dance and for one in the right frame of mind this repitition can bring on a form of satisfaction similar to what is felt in dance.....

There are arhythmic movement patterns which for a person in the right frame of mind can lead to profound meditative absorption and even jhana (I'll not respond to any arguements disputing this) for example tai chi chuan when done as meditation.......I guess one could call that dance too.....
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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by santa100 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:08 pm

SarathW wrote:Why do people like Dancing instead of meditaion?
It's simple math count and a little physics concept called entropy. Low-entropy state is much more rare, more difficult to create and to maintain, while high-entropy ones are a lot more numerous and readily available. See Prof. Brian Cox's excellent explanation below.

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by Justsit » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:57 pm

Many religions include some type of sacred dance, which is a form of moving meditation. The Sufi dervishes come to mind - their clothing represents a shroud, their hats tombstones, their movements represent the death of self and union with the divine.


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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by Aloka » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:55 pm

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by DNS » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:40 pm

In my experience, it appears Mahayana and Mahayanists are more receptive to the arts, poetry, calligraphy, music, dancing, than Theravada and Theravadins (with exceptions of course). Theravada is sometimes called dry, perhaps due to suttas such as this:

"Bhikkhus, in the Vinaya of the noble ones, singing is wailing, dancing is madness . . . . therefore, bhikkhus, demolish the bridge that leads to singing, demolish the bridge that leads to dancing, and when rejoicing in the Dhamma you may simply show a smile." (AN 3.107 Ruṇṇa Sutta)

Theravada monks and nuns are not allowed to sing or dance at anytime. And for lay people, they are allowed to sing and dance, but not on more strict Uposatha observances and retreats.

Precept #7 of the 8 precepts:
Nacca-gita-vadita-visukkadassana mala-gandha-vilepana-dharana-mandana-vibhusanathana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from dancing, singing, music, going to see entertainments, wearing garlands, using perfumes, and beautifying the body with cosmetics.

I prefer the Theravada perspective on this, even if it is "dry."

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by cappuccino » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:45 pm

Peace vs Party

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Re: Why do people like Dancing?

Post by DNS » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:43 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:44 am
Because they get pleasantly out of breath, they get attention, they get applause, they get status, they get money, they get laid.
Only if they're good at it (dancing).
SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:18 am
Then why do some people chose meditation instead of dancing?
Because most people are not good at it. And meditation provides equanimity over a short-term pleasure.

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