Can thought arises prior to feeling perception ?

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sentinel
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Can thought arises prior to feeling perception ?

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Upon sense media and sense object in contact , consciousness arises . Thereafter , feeling perception . So , where does the thought fit in ?
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Re: Can thought arises prior to feeling perception ?

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"Feeling, perception, & consciousness are conjoined, friend, not disjoined. It is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them. For what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. Therefore these qualities are conjoined, not disjoined, and it is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them."
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Re: Can thought arises prior to feeling perception ?

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sentinel wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:13 am
Upon sense media and sense object in contact , consciousness arises . Thereafter , feeling perception . So , where does the thought fit in ?
check out MN 18.
http://lucid24.org/mn/mn018/index.html

the synopsis from that translation gives a concise summary a clear picture of the hierarchy
Synopsis
Cakkhu + rūpe + viññāṇaṃ → phasso → vedeti (vedanā) → sañjānāti → vitakketi → papañceti
eye + forms + consciousness → contact → feel → perceive → think → proliferate
pro·lif·er·ate /prəˈlifəˌrāt/
increase rapidly in numbers; multiply.
The main point of this sutta
(1. Dependent origination of proliferation sequence)
(6aya. Eye base 👁)
Cakkhuñc-āvuso, paṭicca rūpe ca uppajjati cakkhu-viññāṇaṃ,
Eye consciousness arises dependent on the eye and sights.
tiṇṇaṃ saṅgati phasso,
The meeting of the three is contact.
phassa-paccayā vedanā,
Contact is a condition for feeling.
yaṃ vedeti taṃ sañjānāti,
What you feel, you perceive.
yaṃ sañjānāti taṃ vitakketi,
What you perceive, you think about.
yaṃ vitakketi taṃ papañceti,
What you think about, you proliferate.
yaṃ papañceti tato-nidānaṃ
What you proliferate about is the source
purisaṃ papañca-saññā-saṅkhā samudācaranti
from which a person is beset by concepts of identity that emerge from the proliferation of perceptions.
atīt-ānāgata-paccuppannesu cakkhu-viññeyyesu rūpesu.
This occurs with respect to sights known by the eye in the past, future, and present.
(same pattern for remaining 6aya. 👁 👂 👃 👅 👆 💭)
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