This is our view. You may take whichever you like. ~ Ledi Sayadaw

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This is our view. You may take whichever you like. ~ Ledi Sayadaw

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:51 pm

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A quite flexible teacher. (I haven't known that before)

On some pāli, the teachers have different views and have written their own views. Those pāļi will be produced here and their views will also be shown; and our view will also be shown; you may take whichever you like. ~ Nibbana Dipani: Ledi Sayadaw (Taken from Ven. B. Pesala''s)
  • [This is the view of some teachers on that pāļi]
  • [This is the meaning of the passage from the commentary]
  • [This is the meaning we prefer .... ]
  • [This is our view. You may take whichever you like.]
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Post by SDC » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:12 pm

Whether a teacher tells you it is your choice or not, it is always your choice. If you choose to avoid questioning a teacher, you have chosen to do so. Choice, your choice, comes first, and only with the intention to avoid questioning in place (put in place by your desire for it to be) will you be able to do so. That is why the idea of surrendering to a teacher (or guru) is actually not possible. No matter how you shake it, the intention is your responsibility. A good teacher will know that fundamental truth from the start and encourage a self-generated sense of responsibility just so that any formerly self-induced intention doesn't remain hidden. Were they to request complete surrender, they encourage the continued masking of the nature of intention at the center of the student's being and collect the student for as long as the mask holds up.

The signs of Dhamma are present in the experience and no matter how accurate the text is, once must learn how to pick up those signs. Only when the field is expanded to the whole of experience can things be picked up. One must choose to look into the vastness of all things and say to themselves, "The signs are there and I must develop the ability to discern them". That is always the choice, as was it for the monks and laypeople who sat in front of the Buddha - then, stood up, left and went to work trying to discover it.

I applaud the Saydaw for saying so, though I am sure others from his tradition may see it is as reckless. Indeed it could encourage disorder in what is normally a very controlled environment.

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Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm

:anjali:

That is your view.


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Post by SDC » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:25 pm

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm
:anjali:

That is your view.


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Post by chownah » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:03 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm
:anjali:

That is your view.


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That is your view.
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Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:02 am

chownah wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:03 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm
:anjali:

That is your view.


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That is your view.
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Post by Srilankaputra » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:16 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:51 pm

  • [This is the view of some teachers on that pāļi]
  • [This is the meaning of the passage from the commentary]
  • [This is the meaning we prefer .... ]
  • [This is our view. You may take whichever you like.]
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Yes, i have absolute reverence for my elders and betters. But this does not mean i have to believe every word they say. Anyway how can i believe or disbelieve something that i know not. Ultimately it's my own pañña that's going to save me.

And yes, this is my view. :smile:
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Post by Srilankaputra » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:18 am

Srilankaputra wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:16 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:51 pm

  • [This is the view of some teachers on that pāļi]
  • [This is the meaning of the passage from the commentary]
  • [This is the meaning we prefer .... ]
  • [This is our view. You may take whichever you like.]
:heart:
:heart:

Yes, i have absolute reverence for my elders and betters. But this does not mean i have to believe every word they say. Anyway how can i believe or disbelieve something that i know not. Ultimately it's my own pañña that's going to save me.

And yes, this is my view. :smile:
This comment has been bothering me for a while. I just want to add here that faith or saddha is absolutely necessary equipment for the mind. But as its recounted in the Parayana vagga

[Dhotaka:]
I see in the world of beings
divine & human,
a brahman who lives
possessing nothing.
I pay homage to him
the All-around Eye.
From my doubts, O Sakyan, release me!

[The Buddha:]
No one in the world, Dhotaka,
can I release from doubting.
But knowing the most excellent Dhamma,
you will cross over the flood.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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