SteRo wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:05 pm
Who equated meditative attainments with nibbana? I think both of us didn't.
I was referring to why awareness might appear as the goal. Sometimes when meditating, one can experience the mind as working by itself. Sometimes the mediator can experience temporary memory loss. If these kind of experiences are the basis for concluding that "awareness is the goal", then such conclusions are not warranted. I was making a general statement, not referring to your input.
And the Buddha did not either:
"He discerns that '[This signless awareness] is fabricated & mentally fashioned.' And he discerns that 'Whatever is fabricated & mentally fashioned is inconstant & subject to cessation.' For him — thus knowing, thus seeing — the mind is released from the effluent of sensuality, the effluent of becoming, the effluent of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.' MN121
The way of letting go of any fabricated state is, by definition, knowing its inconstancy, which answers the question why
its not worth holding into. When the question "why" (the second noble truth) extinguishes itself, then, by definition, insight has been perfected.
Therefore you should be careful with statements like the above:
Not if enlightenment is likened to some vegetative state of "awareness". I think contemplating the goal without linking it to the four noble truths can be quite misleading. Some people smoke weed to relax and simply be aware, but has this anything to do with wisdom?
Only three fetters are abandoned with stream entry. And whether "more knowledge" is to be acquired after stream entry or whether the knowledge acquired with stream entry actually needs to be 'transformed' or further 'purified' ...
Either way, more knowledge would be needed, until the practitioner has had his fill.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.