World transcending kamma

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World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:50 pm

What makes kamma world transcending kamma?
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by SteRo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:42 pm

Does your question mean "How is kamma transformed into a kamma that transcends the world?"

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by Alīno » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:54 pm

befriend wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:50 pm
What makes kamma world transcending kamma?
N8P culminating in Wisdom...

What is wisdom?
Wisdom is a seeing conditioned things as impermanent, insatisfacory, selfless phenomenas.
How we can see directly things throug 3 characterstics?
By eliminating 5 hindraces and realising tha there is space between object and subject, between sound and silence, between agitation and calm, between dukkha and non-dukkha, between conditioned and Unconditioned. In such a way we transcend the World, croos over the flow of consciousness.

Inother words: Sila, Samadhi, Panna
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:23 pm

SteRo wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:42 pm
Does your question mean "How is kamma transformed into a kamma that transcends the world?"
Yes
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by Alīno » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:37 pm

befriend wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:23 pm
SteRo wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:42 pm
Does your question mean "How is kamma transformed into a kamma that transcends the world?"
Yes
Iam sorry i will write one more time.

Answer is wisdom.
Why?
Because while you have any sensorial experiance, pleasant or unpleasant, if you apply wisdom then you can LEARN from that experience. Not learn about "how to avoid unpleasant and generate more pleasant" but learning the nature on experiance.

To transcend the World we need to transcend the meaning.
To transcend the meaning we need to pay attention on the mechanism itself.
Meaning have no value, only mechanism (Dependent Origination) shows us the Dhamma, and transcend the World.

So to transform any kamma into transcendental kamma, we need to apply wisdom, discernment, penetration,...
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 pm

I read somewhere vipassana is so meritorious it leads you out of samsara maybe this is what is meant by world transcending.
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by char101 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:12 pm

befriend wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:50 pm
What makes kamma world transcending kamma?
Kamma = action.
World transcending = nibanna.
World transcending kamma = action that leads to nibanna.

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by SteRo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:44 am

befriend wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 pm
I read somewhere vipassana is so meritorious it leads you out of samsara maybe this is what is meant by world transcending.
yes, I think that is an example of 'world transcending kamma'. To be more precise: kamma, action, gets world transcending from sotapanna onwards. kamma of a worldling isn't 'world transcending kamma' even if she/he practices the path because she/he will still be endlessly reborn, maybe even in lower realms.

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by Srilankaputra » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:57 pm

At Savatthī. “Bhikkhus, suppose a spike of rice or a spike of barley were wrongly directed and were pressed upon by the hand or the foot. That it could pierce the hand or the foot and draw blood: this is impossible. For what reason? Because the spike is wrongly directed. So too, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu with a wrongly directed view, with a wrongly directed development of the path, could pierce ignorance, arouse true knowledge, and realize Nibbāna: this is impossible. For what reason? Because his view is wrongly directed.

“Bhikkhus, suppose a spike of rice or a spike of barley were rightly directed and were pressed upon by the hand or the foot. That it could pierce the hand or the foot and draw blood: this is possible. For what reason? Because the spike is rightly directed. So too, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu with a rightly directed view, with a rightly directed development of the path, could pierce ignorance, arouse true knowledge, and realize Nibbāna: this is possible. For what reason? Because his view is rightly directed.

“And how does a bhikkhu do so? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu develops right view, which is based upon seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release. He develops … right concentration, which is based upon seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release.

“It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu with a rightly directed view, with a rightly directed development of the path, pierces ignorance, arouses true knowledge, and realizes Nibbāna.”
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O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

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Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:21 pm

I don't understand what any of this means.
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:24 pm

There is two kinds of right view mundane and noble mundane is kamma vipaka noble is the four noble truths.
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by santa100 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:51 pm

befriend wrote:What makes kamma world transcending kamma?
Lokuttara/world-transcending/supermundane, refers to the knowledge and view (and, more broadly, to all practices) that lead to the transcending of the world (ie. 4 paths, 4 fruits, and Nibbana).

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:18 pm

Loving kindness compassion lead onward to nibbana but are mundane. Giving is mundane but leads to nibbana.
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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:26 pm

Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.

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Re: World transcending kamma

Post by befriend » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:38 pm

Incorporating the The four noble truths, dependent origination and the three marks of existence into the practice makes the path lead out of samsara and not just stuck in it.
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