What is khandha?

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What is khandha?

Post by auto » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:39 pm

https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:“Mendicants, desire and greed for form, feeling, perception, choices, or consciousness is a corruption of the mind. “Yo, bhikkhave, rūpasmiṃ chandarāgo, cittasseso upakkileso … pe … yo viññāṇasmiṃ chandarāgo, cittasseso upakkileso.
just a guess,
khandhas are corruption of a citta.., but I think it means citta is the complementary to the khandhas as both lacks the aspect of being real, citta naturally is attracted or repelled to the khandhas what then is called dhātu/reality which are the qualities what we experience as real like heaviness, solidity, softness..
https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:Cakkhu rūpañca viññāṇaṃ,
phasso ca vedanāya ca;
Saññā ca cetanā taṇhā,
dhātu khandhena te dasāti.
..
https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:A mind imbued with renunciation is declared to be capable of directly knowing anything that can be realized.” Nekkhammaparibhāvitaṃ cittaṃ kammaniyaṃ khāyati, abhiññā sacchikaraṇīyesu dhammesū”ti.
what can be directly realized is the softness, heaviness,.. without the need of contact with the khandha?

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Re: What is khandha?

Post by bkmudita » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:50 pm

auto wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:39 pm
https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:“Mendicants, desire and greed for form, feeling, perception, choices, or consciousness is a corruption of the mind. “Yo, bhikkhave, rūpasmiṃ chandarāgo, cittasseso upakkileso … pe … yo viññāṇasmiṃ chandarāgo, cittasseso upakkileso.
just a guess,
khandhas are corruption of a citta.., but I think it means citta is the complementary to the khandhas as both lacks the aspect of being real, citta naturally is attracted or repelled to the khandhas what then is called dhātu/reality which are the qualities what we experience as real like heaviness, solidity, softness..
khandhas are NOT corruption of a citta. Here chandarāgo(desire and lust) to the khandhas are the corruption(upakkileso/kilesa) of the citta. This corruption is just the lust(kama), ill will(dosa) and ignorance(moha). So citta is devoured into khandas(SN 22.79 Being Devoured), engaged with the khandas, being a slave to it. when citta is disengaged with khandas, it is liberated(SN 22.53 Engagement ).
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Re: What is khandha?

Post by bkmudita » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:56 pm

auto wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:39 pm
https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:A mind imbued with renunciation is declared to be capable of directly knowing anything that can be realized.” Nekkhammaparibhāvitaṃ cittaṃ kammaniyaṃ khāyati, abhiññā sacchikaraṇīyesu dhammesū”ti.
what can be directly realized is the softness, heaviness,.. without the need of contact with the khandha?
"A mind fortified by renunciation becomes wieldy in regard to those things that are to be realized by direct knowledge."
when citta is disengaged with the khandas, becomes liberated, deathless can be realized.
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Re: What is khandha?

Post by char101 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Khandhas are groups or constituents that makes up a being. Here the Buddha breaks a being into 5 parts, body, feeling, perception, mental factors, and consciousness, and in that way, remove the notion that there ever was a being in the first place. A being is simply a name given when these groups come together.

A group of soldiers is called a platoon, in the same way a group of the 5 khandhas are called a being. Both platoon and being are names that denote a group instead of a single entity.

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Re: What is khandha?

Post by Alīno » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:03 pm

I see them as 5 facets of diamond called citta, and light going throug it shows us rainbows... 5 dimentions of experience we can say.

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Re: What is khandha?

Post by auto » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 pm

bkmudita wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:50 pm
khandhas are NOT corruption of a citta. Here chandarāgo(desire and lust) to the khandhas are the corruption(upakkileso/kilesa) of the citta. This corruption is just the lust(kama), ill will(dosa) and ignorance(moha). we can say citta is devoured into khandas, engaged with the khandas, being a slave to it. when citta is disengaged with khandas, it is liberated.
Thanks, yes I believe you that I am not right..
in my opinion right now,
rupasmim answers the question whose and chandarago what.
Form's chandarago. Form is intent on lust. That is citta's hindrance, because of this, citta can't know form without committing kamma(actions) what fruits will result later which are experienced by the sense-organ consciousness which awakens anusaya/hidden feelings.
bkmudita wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:56 pm
"A mind fortified by renunciation becomes wieldy in regard to those things that are to be realized by direct knowledge."
when citta is disengaged with the khandas, becomes liberated, deathless can be realized.
..
https://suttacentral.net/sn27.10/en/sujato wrote:When a mendicant has given up mental corruption in these five cases, their mind inclines to renunciation. Yato kho, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno imesu pañcasu ṭhānesu cetaso upakkileso pahīno hoti, nekkhammaninnañcassa cittaṃ hoti.
citta's kilesas are removed after awakening to the sukha which mean also(besides actual opening of special nerves in head) just approving that the sukha/dukkha are mental sankhara then you can by seeing form practice for to arose sukha or dukkha or practice for ceasing them.

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