Among the Twelve Nidānas, why does Avijjā lead to Saṅkhāra?

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Re: Among the Twelve Nidānas, why does Avijjā lead to Saṅkhāra?

Post by pegembara » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:08 am

Avijja is not realising that "All" is burning. Without disenchantment(nibbida) sankhara(preparations will keep arising).
The sequence “nibbidā virāgā nirodhā".

"Bhikkhus, all is burning. And what is the all that is burning?

"The eye is burning, forms are burning, eye-consciousness is burning, eye-contact is burning, also whatever is felt as pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant that arises with eye-contact for its indispensable condition, that too is burning. Burning with what? Burning with the fire of lust, with the fire of hate, with the fire of delusion. I say it is burning with birth, aging and death, with sorrows, with lamentations, with pains, with griefs, with despairs.

"Bhikkhus, when a noble follower who has heard (the truth) sees thus, he finds estrangement in the eye, finds estrangement in forms, finds estrangement in eye-consciousness, finds estrangement in eye-contact, and whatever is felt as pleasant or painful or neither-painful- nor-pleasant that arises with eye-contact for its indispensable condition, in that too he finds estrangement.

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Without avijja, the "pond remains still" even though sankhara can still arise occasionally.

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Re: Among the Twelve Nidānas, why does Avijjā lead to Saṅkhāra?

Post by form » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:18 am

sentinel wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:01 am
SilaSamadhi wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:49 am
However, why does Ignorance (Avijjā) lead to Fabrications (Saṅkhāra)?


Buddha describe the process of dependent origination because it portray the actual happening starting from ignorance .
Ignorance is not attentive to the truth of the nature therefore not seeing the reality in which then led to the formation (of sankhara) ie the view of I , this in turn give rise to impure consciousness ...... .
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Re: Among the Twelve Nidānas, why does Avijjā lead to Saṅkhāra?

Post by form » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:19 am

pegembara wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:08 am
Avijja is not realising that "All" is burning. Without disenchantment(nibbida) sankhara(preparations will keep arising).
The sequence “nibbidā virāgā nirodhā".

"Bhikkhus, all is burning. And what is the all that is burning?

"The eye is burning, forms are burning, eye-consciousness is burning, eye-contact is burning, also whatever is felt as pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant that arises with eye-contact for its indispensable condition, that too is burning. Burning with what? Burning with the fire of lust, with the fire of hate, with the fire of delusion. I say it is burning with birth, aging and death, with sorrows, with lamentations, with pains, with griefs, with despairs.

"Bhikkhus, when a noble follower who has heard (the truth) sees thus, he finds estrangement in the eye, finds estrangement in forms, finds estrangement in eye-consciousness, finds estrangement in eye-contact, and whatever is felt as pleasant or painful or neither-painful- nor-pleasant that arises with eye-contact for its indispensable condition, in that too he finds estrangement.

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I am interested to know your explanation of the metaphor of all is burning? Why is the team burning use in this case?

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Re: Among the Twelve Nidānas, why does Avijjā lead to Saṅkhāra?

Post by pegembara » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:30 am

The best simile I know is that from Sayadaw U Pandita posted elsewhere. When Catholics say " Eternal Rest Eternal rest grant unto them", do they truly mean what they say?
Let us imagine that there is a multimillionaire or millionairesse who has available to him or her all the imaginable sense pleasures. One day this person is having a nice, sound sleep. While he or she is sleeping, the chef has been at work, cooking an array of delicious food and arranging it on the table. Everything is quite in order in the full splendor of the millionaire’s mansion.

When this millionaire is in a deep, sound sleep, he or she is blissfully oblivious to the surroundings. No matter how beautiful
the bedroom, he or she does not see it. No matter how beautiful the music that is piped throughout the house, he or she is deaf
to it. Fine fragrance may waft through the air, but he or she is oblivious to it. He or she is not eating, that is clear. And no
matter how comfortable and luxurious the bed may be, he or she is completely unaware of the sensation of lying upon it.

You can see that there is a certain happiness in sound sleep which is not connected with sensate objects. Anyone, rich or
poor, may wake up from sound sleep and feel wonderful. One may gather, then, that some sort of happiness exists in that
sleep. Though it is difficult to describe, it cannot be denied. In the same way, the noble ones who have touched fulfillment of
Dhamma know of a kind of happiness that can neither be denied nor fully described, but which we know by deductive
reasoning actually exists.

Supposing it were possible to have deep, sound sleep forever. Would you want it? If one does not like the kind of happiness
that comes with sound sleep, it may be difficult to have a preference for nibbāna. If one does not want the happiness of
nonexperience, one is still attached to the pleasure of the senses. This attachment is due to craving. It is said that craving
actually is the root cause of sense objects

Sayadaw U Pandita In This Very Life
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