Existence and bhava

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Srilankaputra
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Re: Existence and bhava

Post by Srilankaputra » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:33 am

Nāmakāyarūpakāyasambhavanalakkhaṇo bhavo

Bhava has the characteristic of giving actual being to name-body and form-body.
Nāma-kāya: 4 immaterial aggregates

Rūpa-kāya: Material aggregate


Beingness?
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

sentinel
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Re: Existence and bhava

Post by sentinel » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 am

Srilankaputra wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:33 am
Nāmakāyarūpakāyasambhavanalakkhaṇo bhavo

Bhava has the characteristic of giving actual being to name-body and form-body.
Nāma-kāya: 4 immaterial aggregates

Rūpa-kāya: Material aggregate


Beingness?
Nama = feeling perception intention
( consciousness )

It is very unlikely consciousness is nama .
If nama+rupa is five aggregates , why description link in PS describe consciousness conditions namarupa !?
:coffee:

pegembara
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Re: Existence and bhava

Post by pegembara » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:08 am

IMO namarupa is the 5 aggregates or the totality of experience or the "world"(loka).

"I will teach you the origination of the world & the ending of the world. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

Origin of stress and ending of stress.
Let us imagine that there is a multimillionaire or millionairesse who has available to him or her all the imaginable sense pleasures. One day this person is having a nice, sound sleep. While he or she is sleeping, the chef has been at work, cooking an array of delicious food and arranging it on the table. Everything is quite in order in the full splendor of the millionaire’s mansion.

When this millionaire is in a deep, sound sleep, he or she is blissfully oblivious to the surroundings. No matter how beautiful
the bedroom, he or she does not see it. No matter how beautiful the music that is piped throughout the house, he or she is deaf
to it. Fine fragrance may waft through the air, but he or she is oblivious to it. He or she is not eating, that is clear. And no
matter how comfortable and luxurious the bed may be, he or she is completely unaware of the sensation of lying upon it.

You can see that there is a certain happiness in sound sleep which is not connected with sensate objects. Anyone, rich or
poor, may wake up from sound sleep and feel wonderful. One may gather, then, that some sort of happiness exists in that
sleep. Though it is difficult to describe, it cannot be denied. In the same way, the noble ones who have touched fulfillment of
Dhamma know of a kind of happiness that can neither be denied nor fully described, but which we know by deductive
reasoning actually exists.

Supposing it were possible to have deep, sound sleep forever. Would you want it? If one does not like the kind of happiness
that comes with sound sleep, it may be difficult to have a preference for nibbāna. If one does not want the happiness of
nonexperience, one is still attached to the pleasure of the senses. This attachment is due to craving. It is said that craving
actually is the root cause of sense objects

Sayadaw U Pandita In This Very Life
"Now from the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance comes the cessation of fabrications. From the cessation of fabrications comes the cessation of consciousness. From the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-&-form. From the cessation of name-&-form comes the cessation of the six sense media. From the cessation of the six sense media comes the cessation of contact. From the cessation of contact comes the cessation of feeling. From the cessation of feeling comes the cessation of craving. From the cessation of craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering."
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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