thepea wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:29 pm
sentinel wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:02 pm
Hi Thepea ,
It seems suicidal case was common while Buddha still alive . Such as there were many monks whom practice the Paṭikkūlamanasikāra or asubhānupassin i.e. reflections on the repulsiveness or foulness of the body whom took their own lives . Nothing is controllable .
Another example is as text below attempted for suicide , although I don't know how temporary liberation supposed to be !
Then it occurred to the Venerable Godhika: “Six times already I have fallen away from temporary liberation of mind. Let me use the knife.”
Then Mara the Evil One, having known with his own mind the reflection in the Venerable Godhika’s mind, approached the Blessed One and addressed him with these verses:
Seems like everyone who killed themselves in Buddha’s time was an arahant?
Perhaps buddha was just being positive?
In my honest opinion. You’re thinking too hard about it my friend. This unnecessary thinking is not helpful nor conducive to the path. As a friend and Kalyana Mitta I recommend just letting it go like the Buddha advised. It’s one of those unknown questions that the answer can not be ascertained. I don’t see anything healthy or helpful coming out of it. I hope you see the sincerity behind this message. I am not judging or telling you anything. Just giving you some food for thought.
“ And why haven’t I declared these things? Because they aren’t beneficial or relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They don’t lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. That’s why I haven’t declared them.
And what have I declared? I have declared the following: ‘this is suffering,’ ‘this is the origin of suffering,’ ‘this is the cessation of suffering,’ ‘this is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering.’
And why have I declared these things? Because they are beneficial and relevant to the fundamentals of the spiritual life. They lead to disillusionment, dispassion, cessation, peace, insight, awakening, and extinguishment. That’s why I have declared them. So, Māluṅkyaputta, you should remember what I have not declared as undeclared, and what I have declared as declared.”