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markandeya wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:22 pm
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markandeya wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:11 am Brahmachariya~ Brahmacharaya Does not always mean to be celibate, in the same way that Bikkhu does not mean Monk, the word originally fits into the 4 spiritual states in ones being. Brahma ( not the creator deva brahmA) is the absolute reality or the underlying reality behind all things or the most subtle and charaya means way, so Brahmacharya is to follow the way of the absolute reality who is beyond all extremes, In Theravada the way is the four noble truths which includes the 8foldpath, or one who follows the dharma follows Brahmacharya, a householder can also be brahmacharya by regulating the senses without attachment and aversion.
Brahmachariya/spiritual path stops when 3rd jhana is achieved. 4th jhana is attained by ignoring dhamma what arises and passes away and at 4th jhana light/āloka arises what reaches as far as brahma realms.
Brahmachariya is search for something eternal. At 3th jhana, desire for rebirth ceases.
According to Ledi sayadaws Abhidhamma he says Nibbana~Nirvana is onefold according to its intrinsic nature of peace satilakkhana. But according to the way it is experienced it becomes two fold, namely (i) the element of Nibbana with substrata remaining~saupadisesa and (ii) the element of Nibbana without the strata remaining~anupadisesa.

As far as I am concerned Brahma and nirvana are not two and separate.

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Nibbana seem to be the end of dhamma what have been aroused from greed, aversion and delusion.. where fear have been ceased you can return to the dhamma what was originally intended and you get Brahma appearance. Brahma is the first being, but i'm not sure.
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Brahmacharaya also means the way of purity or chastity, this can also have some meaning in obedience to the teaching or practice with sincerity, the deeper it goes then one becomes more and more free from attachments to the senses and their objects, so Brahmacharaya is included in the ascent~the practice and the decent~the teaching, it comes from outside or beyond the mind and senses and mixes with the mind and senses, it is not created by the mind or dependant on the senses and is independent.

Brahma Vihara are the divine inner dwellings abodes of Brahma the ultimate reality which is different from BrahmA the Deva or luminous being, BrahmA falls into avidya , Brahma never mixes with avidya, because Brahma is purity~ vishuddi.

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Is it true that in the past the 5 precepts include celibacy?

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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Is it true that in the past the 5 precepts include celibacy?
5 precepts are required for human birth


celibacy is not required
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Hello :anjali:

What is difficult in Brahmacarya are dreams. About once a mounth or once two mounth one can get irruption. But more you practice it, less you react on naked girls turning all around you tuching you with vaginas, sitting on you, lying on you etc. in dreams. You just feel nothing, seen is just seen... But if they get you and you wake up full of semen on you, you can realise how much it's a dirty activity, and how much this body is unattractive and unpleasant burden...

Also what i found difficult is the eye contact... Woman form is attracting man's eye very rapidly, even if you don't feel anything about it, or if it fades away instantly, your eye can go on woman's forms and it's a shamefull feeling, but a very intresting as anatta observation.

If your sati is good, you can go urinating and feel much more pleasure from realising of urine pressure rather from ejaculation. Actualy if your sati on body is hood, you can feel refined piti factor all the time, so you no need any sensual input to be happy, you generate your own pleasure at will. More your sati and calm are good, more there is pleasure.
If your Samadhi is good, and you take care if your mind by sense restrainment, you will rapidly realise how much bliss of Samadhi is superior to coarse bodily feelings stimulations.

Personally I was never realy attracted by sex, what is more exciting for my citta is the process of seduction, conceit rooted. Sex is a very animal, low, dirty, quick, doubtfull pleasure who need a lot of efforts, while Samadhi is refined, peacefull, noble, happy, pure, long lasting compare to ejaculation, and always avalable pleasure...

What is important to consider is that if you want be successful in your bodily and mind purity you need to take all of 8 precepts. Why? Because all 8 precepts support each other, there is no one wich is useless or not supporting others. So for exemple if you indulge in sleeping - this sensual pleasure will lead your citta to indulge in sensuality in General, and as result you will go on youporn. The same is with moderation in eating, sensual pleasure leading to FAP if not stoped, etc
We need to know that all marketing machine is aimed On stimulation of our sexual desire, it's a very direct path to make you buy things and useless objects. So also be moderate in your purchases... Actually Brahmacarya is life style. And personally I not noticed rising of energy... energy can be source of suffering and agitation, restlessness is a big dukkha... calm, peace, Nibbana is true Hapiness...

So all depends on your training, previous life developments, hormones, way of life, mind set, discipline... So just do it and learn from it. If you fall it's ok, but learn from it. It's a training. What is important is to accompany your chastity with restraint of others sense doors, moderation in eating, non distraction, non butification, right speach etc. ... Then it will be easy to keep it pure and delight in it.

Also try to develop asubha practices of bodily parts. Find some part of the body that can completely suppress your sexual envy and develop it. Personally I use hairs of the body, I realy find girls moustaches, hairs on legs, between eyes etc. non attractive, it shows animal and primitive aspect of this bag of skeen, it cuts my appetite...

What is important is learning. As say Venerable Ajahn Jayasaro: Dhamma practice is an education system...
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Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...
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Nwad wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am Hello :anjali:

What is difficult in Brahmacarya are dreams. About once a mounth or once two mounth one can get irruption. But more you practice it, less you react on naked girls turning all around you tuching you with vaginas, sitting on you, lying on you etc. in dreams. You just feel nothing, seen is just seen... But if they get you and you wake up full of semen on you, you can realise how much it's a dirty activity, and how much this body is unattractive and unpleasant burden...

Also what i found difficult is the eye contact... Woman form is attracting man's eye very rapidly, even if you don't feel anything about it, or if it fades away instantly, your eye can go on woman's forms and it's a shamefull feeling, but a very intresting as anatta observation.

If your sati is good, you can go urinating and feel much more pleasure from realising of urine pressure rather from ejaculation. Actualy if your sati on body is hood, you can feel refined piti factor all the time, so you no need any sensual input to be happy, you generate your own pleasure at will. More your sati and calm are good, more there is pleasure.
If your Samadhi is good, and you take care if your mind by sense restrainment, you will rapidly realise how much bliss of Samadhi is superior to coarse bodily feelings stimulations.

Personally I was never realy attracted by sex, what is more exciting for my citta is the process of seduction, conceit rooted. Sex is a very animal, low, dirty, quick, doubtfull pleasure who need a lot of efforts, while Samadhi is refined, peacefull, noble, happy, pure, long lasting compare to ejaculation, and always avalable pleasure...

All depends on your training, previous life developments, hormones, way of life, mind set, discipline... So just do it and learn from it. What is important is to accompany your chastity with restraint of others sense doors, moderation in eating, non distraction, non butification, right speach etc ... Then it will be easy to keep it pure and delight in it.
When u constantly meditate regularly, u can say that. Once u slacked, it is the time they will attack.
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:00 pm Is it true that in the past the 5 precepts include celibacy?

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As explained before brahmacarya is not about sex. It is supremacy in behaviour ( carya). If one follows the five precepts then one has begun the most elementary stage of purity. The five precepts include the 1st five steps of arya ashtanga marga.
The 5th precept in fact rather than sex includes overindulgence in sensual pleasures . (Also see abhinanda SuttaSN35.20 to understand further).
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form wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:23 am When u constantly meditate regularly, u can say that. Once u slacked, it is the time they will attack.
Complitely !
Mara will find a hole in ones defence wall and penetrate it, if there is no holes, Mara can not penetrate... actualy what is difficult is to keep one's practice hight without downs, but as said Ajahn Chah : when you feel good - then practice, when you feel bad - then practice. Important thing is development of sati - bringing into the memory Dhamma teaching to overcome sufferings while they arise ... But suffering arise with avijja, so you don't see clearly, you can't find your weapon on the floor with eyes full of tears...
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:00 pm Is it true that in the past the 5 precepts include celibacy?

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I was wrong

I read the information in a text ...

but I misinterpreted the information

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form wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:03 pm The metaphor of Mara's three daughters tempting the Buddha in the night he attained enlightenment, could be interpretated as the wildest sexual fantasy test for him.
This shows that brahmacarya is meant by overcoming akusala citta totally while that was the effort of lord buddha. The three daughters of mara were idols of akusala citta trying to seduce the mind of meditating Siddartha.
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justindesilva wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:21 am
form wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:03 pm The metaphor of Mara's three daughters tempting the Buddha in the night he attained enlightenment, could be interpretated as the wildest sexual fantasy test for him.
This shows that brahmacarya is meant by overcoming akusala citta totally while that was the effort of lord buddha. The three daughters of mara were idols of akusala citta trying to seduce the mind of meditating Siddartha.
I agree with u.
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brahmacariya: [brahmā+cariya] brahmic life, life of renunciation, pure life of the bhikkhus, or any disciple having undertaken complete celibacy. More generally, it is an upright life, in which morality plays a fundamental role, a life of renunciation to kāma and of practice of meditation, leading among other things to the mastery of the jhānas. It is so called because it is the only way to reach the Brahmā world.

http://www.buddha-vacana.org/gloss.html#brahmacariya

brahma-cariya: holy life, pure or chaste life, is a term for the life of a bhikkhu. It also applies to a lay disciple who adopts the eight precepts and abstains from sexual relations while maintaining chastity.

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