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sentinel
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Tactile sensation and feeling

Post by sentinel » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:34 pm

Hello members ,

I find that in this text the physical body tactile sensation not labeled as Vedana , anyone knows why ?

https://suttacentral.net/an5.139/en/sujato

It’s when a mendicant, feeling a touch with their body, is aroused by a desirable touch, so is not able to still the mind.
Idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kāyena phoṭṭhabbaṃ phusitvā rajanīye phoṭṭhabbe sārajjati, na sakkoti cittaṃ samādahituṃ.

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Re: Tactile sensation and feeling

Post by DooDoot » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:29 am

sentinel wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:34 pm
I find that in this text the physical body tactile sensation not labeled as Vedana , anyone knows why ?

https://suttacentral.net/an5.139/en/sujato

It’s when a mendicant, feeling a touch with their body, is aroused by a desirable touch, so is not able to still the mind.
Idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhu kāyena phoṭṭhabbaṃ phusitvā rajanīye phoṭṭhabbe sārajjati, na sakkoti cittaṃ samādahituṃ.
Hi. Bhikkhu Bodhi translates it the same. The relevant word is "phusitvā", which appears related to 'phassa' or 'contact' (rather than is related to 'vedana' or 'vedayati'). Thanissaro translates as:
There is the case where a monk, on touching (phusitvā) a tactile sensation (phoṭṭhabbaṃ) with the body (kāyena), feels passion (rajanīye) for a tactile sensation (phoṭṭhabbe) that incites passion (sārajjati) and cannot (na sakkoti) center (samādahituṃ) his mind (cittaṃ).

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Bhikkhu Sujato does not always translate 'phusitvā' as 'feeling', as follows:
They meditate directly experiencing that dimension in every way.

Yathā yathā ca tadāyatanaṃ tathā tathā naṃ kāyena phusitvā viharati.

https://suttacentral.net/an9.43/en/sujato
It appears Bhikkhu Thanissaro's translation is probably the most literal. :smile:
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