How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by sentinel » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:46 pm

seeker242 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:41 pm
But there is no contradiction.
Well , that is because you missed something . But , nvm people missed a lot of things .
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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by seeker242 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:55 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:46 pm
seeker242 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:41 pm
But there is no contradiction.
Well , that is because you missed something . But , nvm people missed a lot of things .
:console:
What did I miss?

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by sentinel » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:01 pm

seeker242 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:55 pm
What did I miss?
Nvm .

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by santa100 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:04 pm

sentinel wrote:However , nowadays it appears human population is estimated over 7 billions or much more . So , how does Buddhism reconcile in explaining the contradiction ?!
The increase/decrease in human population does not affect the truth of the Teaching. There were periods in the past when human beings did not exist at all. The most populous earth residents during the Jurassic age were the dinosaurs, and there was zero human. Since the 6 realms have always been there since unfathomable beginning (ie. human realm didn't just pop into existence 300,000 years ago) there must've been many other earths that have been homes to humans before this earth does. So the increase/decrease in human population on this earth is irrelevant cuz there's nothing in the suttas that forbids interplanetary rebirths. One day, earth will be subjected to another catastrophic event, like another meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs, or runaway greenhouse effect, or whatever, that doesn't mean the human realm would immediately cease to exist. Those whose kamma is good enough to be reborn as humans will seek rebirths in countless other earths in other solar systems, other galaxies, or even other universes!

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by Paccayata » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:36 pm

One out of four creatures on this planet is a beetle.

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 pm

1. Manussacutiniraya Suttaṃ (S.v.474)
Deceased Human Beings Reborn in Hell
Then the Blessed One picked up a small amount of dust on the tip of his fingernail and said to the monks: “What do you think, monks, which is greater? This small amount of dust on my fingernail, or the great earth?”
“Venerable sir, the great earth is far greater. The small amount of dust on the Blessed One’s fingernail is insignificant. The small amount of dust on the Blessed One’s fingernail is not even a hundredth, a thousandth, or even a hundred thousandth the amount of the great earth.”
“Even so, monks, only a few deceased human beings are born again as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.”

2. Manussacutitiracchāna Suttaṃ
Deceased Human Beings Reborn as Animals

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased human beings are born again as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn as animals. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

3. Manussacutipettivisayasuttaṃ
Deceased Human Beings Reborn as Hungry Ghosts

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased human beings are born again as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

4-6. Manussacutidevanirayādisuttaṃ (S.v.475)
Deceased Human Beings Reborn as Deities, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased human beings are born again as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

7-9. Devacutinirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Deities Reborn as in Hell etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased deities are born again as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

10-12. Devamanussanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Deities Reborn as Human Beings, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased deities are born again as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts … in hell. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

13-15. Nirayamanussanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Hell Beings Reborn as Human Beings, etc
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… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased from hell are born again as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

16-18. Nirayadevanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Hell Beings Reborn as Deities, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased from hell are born again as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn as animals … as hungry ghosts … in hell. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

19-21. Tiracchānamanussanirayādisuttaṃ (S.v.476)
Deceased Animals Reborn as Human Beings, etc.
… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased animals are reborn as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

22-24. Tiracchānadevanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Animals Reborn as Deities, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased animals are reborn as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

25-27. Pettimanussanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Hungry Ghosts Reborn as Human Beings, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased hungry ghosts are reborn as human beings; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

28-29. Pettidevanirayādisuttaṃ
Deceased Hungry Ghosts Reborn as Deities, etc.

… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased hungry ghosts are reborn as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

30. Pettidevapettivisayasuttaṃ (S.v.477)
Deceased Hungry Ghosts Reborn as Deities, etc.
… “Even so, monks, only a few deceased hungry ghosts are reborn as deities; far more numerous are those who are reborn in hell … as animals … as hungry ghosts. Therefore, monks, devote yourselves to contemplating, ‘This is suffering, this is the cause of suffering, this is the cessation of suffering, this is the path leading to the cessation of suffering’.” …

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by sentinel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 pm
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The question is , if In every instances there would be Very Very Rare for any realm beings whether they are human , animal , ghost , deity and hell being to be reborn as human again , how then hundred year ago population only one to two billion but now could be near to eight billion ?! The logic behind this is , it should be getting lesser and lesser .
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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by justindesilva » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:29 am

sentinel wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 am
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 pm
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The question is , if In every instances there would be Very Very Rare for any realm beings whether they are human , animal , ghost , deity and hell being to be reborn as human again , how then hundred year ago population only one to two billion but now could be near to eight billion ?! The logic behind this is , it should be getting lesser and lesser .
With our narrow mindedness our attention is only on the earth. Let us not forget that lord Buddha has shown us there are 31 realms. To fill the required gap of human beings in the earth there could be beings arriving here from other worlds of the universe. In fact latest studies of universe reveals that there are intelligent beings beyond this earth.

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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by pegembara » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:18 am

According to this

3.6 billion years: First simple cells, oxygen producing bacteria.
200,000 years: Anatomically modern humans appeared in Africa.

https://academictips.org/blogs/timeline ... -on-earth/

Modern humans appear at the very tail end and ironically may be responsible for the massive destruction of life including our own on Earth.
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Re: How difficult it is to obtain human life ?

Post by robertk » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:46 am

sentinel wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 am
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 pm
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The question is , if In every instances there would be Very Very Rare for any realm beings whether they are human , animal , ghost , deity and hell being to be reborn as human again , how then hundred year ago population only one to two billion but now could be near to eight billion ?! The logic behind this is , it should be getting lesser and lesser .
And during a Buddha sasana, such as now, the human and deva realms are said to fill up due to the opportunties for making good kamma.

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