Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

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Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by Germann » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:04 pm

According to L.S. Cousins, Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school, and Tamrashatiya was formed in the 2-3rd century AD (the life time of Nagarjuna).

Tamraparnia (Tambapaṇṇiya) is, according to the text of the article, Tamrashatiya:

L.S. Cousins, Tambapaṇṇiya and Tāmraśāṭiya
https://ocbs.org/lance-cousins/

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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by cappuccino » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Theravāda ("School of the Elders") is the most commonly accepted name of Buddhism's oldest extant school.

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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:48 am

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:16 pm
Theravāda ("School of the Elders") is the most commonly accepted name of Buddhism's oldest extant school.

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Hence the term "Elders"....hahahhahahahhahaha
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Tamrashatiya school comes from the Kashyapiya school

Post by Germann » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:05 am

Tamrashatiya school comes from the Kashyapiya school.

Early History of the Spread of Buddhism and the Buddhist Schools. Nalinaksha Dutt. - р. 177
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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by thomaslaw » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:21 am

According to The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism (by Choong Mun-keat), pp. 3-5, it also considers Theravada school comes from the Tamrashatiya school:

"One of the Vibhajyavada schools became the Tamrashatiya, which early established itself on Sri Lanka. Although it calls itself Theravada (Skt. Sthaviravada) "the Teaching of the Elders" or Vibhajjavada (Skt. Vibhajyavada) "the Distinctionist Teaching", the Tamrashatiya is actually a sub-school of the Vibhajyavada, which in its turn is a derivative of the Sthavira or "Elder" branch." (p. 3).

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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by Dhammanando » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:35 am

Choong Mun-keat wrote: "One of the Vibhajyavada schools became the Tamrashatiya, which early established itself on Sri Lanka."
I think it would be more accurate to say:

"The branch of the Vibhajyavāda school in Sri Lanka came to be referred to by Buddhist writers in India (well, two of them at least) as the 'Tāmraśāṭīya'. Tāmraśāṭīya is an ancient name for the Ceylonese that may be either an inept sanskritization of Tambapaṇṇīya (the Pali name for the Ceylonese) or else a back-translation into Sanskrit of the Tibetan name for the Ceylonese."

But to say as the OP does that "the Mahavihāra Theravāda comes from the Tāmraśāṭīya" is about as trivially true as "Anglicanism comes from English Christians" or "Russian Orthodoxy comes from the Russians."
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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by robertk » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:48 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:35 am
Choong Mun-keat wrote: "One of the Vibhajyavada schools became the Tamrashatiya, which early established itself on Sri Lanka."
I think it would be more accurate to say:

"The branch of the Vibhajyavāda school in Sri Lanka came to be referred to by Buddhist writers in India (well, two of them at least) as the 'Tāmraśāṭīya'. Tāmraśāṭīya is an ancient name for the Ceylonese that may be either an inept sanskritization of Tambapaṇṇīya (the Pali name for the Ceylonese) or else a back-translation into Sanskrit of the Tibetan name for the Ceylonese."

But to say as the OP does that "the Mahavihāra Theravāda comes from the Tāmraśāṭīya" is about as trivially true as "Anglicanism comes from English Christians" or "Russian Orthodoxy comes from the Russians."
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Re: Theravada school (Mahavihara tradition) comes from the Tamrashatiya school

Post by thomaslaw » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:07 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:35 am
Choong Mun-keat wrote: "One of the Vibhajyavada schools became the Tamrashatiya, which early established itself on Sri Lanka."
I think it would be more accurate to say:

"The branch of the Vibhajyavāda school in Sri Lanka came to be referred to by Buddhist writers in India (well, two of them at least) as the 'Tāmraśāṭīya'. Tāmraśāṭīya is an ancient name for the Ceylonese that may be either an inept sanskritization of Tambapaṇṇīya (the Pali name for the Ceylonese) or else a back-translation into Sanskrit of the Tibetan name for the Ceylonese."

But to say as the OP does that "the Mahavihāra Theravāda comes from the Tāmraśāṭīya" is about as trivially true as "Anglicanism comes from English Christians" or "Russian Orthodoxy comes from the Russians."
Tāmraśāṭīya means "Copper-clad" (Choong Mun-keat, The Notion of Emptiness in Early Buddhism, p. 3, note 10). It also called Tambapaṇṇīya in Pali, i.e. the Buddhists of Tambapaṇṇī 'Lanka, Sihala' (i.e. today's Sri Lanka Island).

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