Yes, you are quite right.
But your interpretation/conclusion is deluded.
Yes, you are quite right.
You can justify it to yourself any way you like.
Yeah... Okay...cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:29 pm of course, Nirvana is unconditioned
however, unconditioned is a state of mind
hence realm / dimension (now & later)
Via the Eightfold Path.
Saying, “Good, friend,” the bhikkhus delighted and rejoiced in the venerable Sāriputta’s words. Then they asked him a further question: “But, friend, might there be another way in which a noble disciple is one of right view…and has arrived at this true Dhamma?”—“There might be, friends.
“When, friends, a noble disciple understands contact, the origin of contact, the cessation of contact, and the way leading to the cessation of contact, in that way he is one of right view…and has arrived at this true Dhamma.
“And what is contact, what is the origin of contact, what is the cessation of contact, what is the way leading to the cessation of contact? There are these six classes of contact: eye-contact, ear-contact, nose-contact, tongue-contact, body-contact, mind-contact. With the arising of the sixfold base there is the arising of contact. With the cessation of the sixfold base there is the cessation of contact. The way leading to the cessation of contact is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view…right concentration.
“When a noble disciple has thus understood contact, the origin of contact, the cessation of contact, and the way leading to the cessation of contact…he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view…and has arrived at this true Dhamma.”
Sammādiṭṭhi Sutta, MN 9
Contact (phassa) is a crucial concept.Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:20 pm'How is it possible to permanently end contact?The Blessed One said this: “Contact, bhikkhus, is one end; the arising of contact is the second end; the cessation of contact is in the middle; and craving is the seamstress. For craving sews one to the production of this or that state of existence. It is in this way that a bhikkhu directly knows what should be directly known; fully understands what should be fully understood; and by doing so, in this very life he makes an end of suffering.”
(AN. 6:61)
We know through the Teaching, that:"Contact" is the transfer of the property (phassa) of the object's khandhas & dhatus to oneself.
It is not yet the appropriation (upādāna) per se; but the coming together of the two fields of sensory experiences (external & internal). It is an adjunction. The external is added to the internal, but it is not yet an essential part of the latter.
In Sanskrit, the root meaning of phassa (sparśa), has the following meaning:
Fall to the lot of, a.k.a. escheat - viz. a transfered possession (possession whose ownership changes).
Come upon >> take possession of. (Root spṛś)
In the usual extract: Tiṇṇaṃ saṅgati phasso
Saṅgati (from saṅgacchati [saṁ+gacchati] [saṃ-gam] = come together).
Union, combination.
This, seems to me, to be talking about understanding contact. Thus what one overcomes is ignorance in regards to contact, not contact per se.“When a noble disciple has thus understood contact, the origin of contact, the cessation of contact, and the way leading to the cessation of contact…he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view…and has arrived at this true Dhamma.”
Sammādiṭṭhi Sutta, MN 9
Modern progresses show that the information in the object is not the same than the information in the word we use to express this object.
Nirvana is also expressed by anidassana , meaning where consciousness has no base. It also means that contact and consciousness does not meet. Vingnana or consciousness can arise in a conditioned state to make way for contact ( phassa). This is well explained in paticca samuppada vibhangha sutta.cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:17 pm not contacting chocolate with your tongue
hence you feel nothing, etc
you know betterinyenzi wrote: shouldn't I just induce brain death to reach parinibbana?
The problem with this is that, regardless of your belief, if there is indeed "rebirth", then parinibbana will not be reached by inducing brain death in an unawakened one.