Worshipping to the gods in early Buddhism

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Grigoris
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Re: Worshipping to the gods in early Buddhism

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form wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:36 am
Even in modern times, we can only see the rituals but not the Gods or other beings. So we won't know if the offerings and agreements in exchange are successful or not. So we cannot tell if it is practice correctly to yield results.
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: Worshipping to the gods in early Buddhism

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form wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:36 am
khemindas wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:47 am
form wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:39 am
This are occult knowledge when one developed higher consciousness, one will have the ability to see how it functions.
We don't need to know how it's functions, we only need to know how to practice it correctly.
U mean how to appease the Gods correctly in exchange for favours? For example in ancient time for good weather for agriculture, for wealth, for good health?

Even in modern times, we can only see the rituals but not the Gods or other beings. So we won't know if the offerings and agreements in exchange are successful or not. So we cannot tell if it is practice correctly to yield results.

Or do u mean just how the rituals are executed?
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Did the Buddha ever actually encourage/believe in these things? :shrug: Or was he trying to appeal to an audience?

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Re: Worshipping to the gods in early Buddhism

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alfa wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:14 am
Did the Buddha ever actually encourage/believe in these things?
In the Adhipateyyasutta one of the things taught as conducive to making an effort to abandon the unwholesome is the belief that devas might be watching you.

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.40

And in the Apaṇṇakasutta belief in and reflection upon the arūpa realms is taught as conducive to disenchantment with rūpa.

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/mn60
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form wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:36 am

U mean how to appease the Gods correctly in exchange for favours? For example in ancient time for good weather for agriculture, for wealth, for good health?

Even in modern times, we can only see the rituals but not the Gods or other beings. So we won't know if the offerings and agreements in exchange are successful or not. So we cannot tell if it is practice correctly to yield results.

Or do u mean just how the rituals are executed?
Although you have not attained any jhana ,
yet you can accept the results of practise meditation yields different stages of jhana and its existence of corresponding realms , in the same sense one not necessarily had to be able to see the gods . Likewise , doing dana but unable to see the results does not prevent one from doing wholesome kamma and believing in it .

Even in worldly affairs , we sometimes need to appease someone in certain circumstances .
Quality is not an act, it is a habit.

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