Is Buddhism destructive?

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by anthbrown84 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:59 pm

alfa wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:52 am
Dan74 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:50 pm
I guess the OP mistakes equanimity for apathy and indifference. Buddhism is subtle and easily misunderstood.

But I do think that in many ways it would be subversive if the majority embraced the Dhamma in earnest. For starters people would consume a lot less and not place current importance on material goods and career success. Might even help save the environment and ameliorate many of our social ills..
Even if it's equanimity, what's the philosophy behind this equanimity? That things are impermanent, there is dukkha, this is samsara, etc. With this attitude, can we ever fight back? Consider ageing. It's likely that a buddhist, even a buddhst doctor, will say ageing is normal and inevitable. The buddha has said so. That's that. A buddhist will not even think of ways to stop ageing. So the misery of old age - aches and pains, illnesses etc. - will continue. Just one example.
Wow, honestly, that was a terrible example to pick. Do you think if they cured old age you would literally live forever? And don't you think you wouldn't suffer just because your death is pit back?

Impermanence is a law, that's why we suffer... due to our craving for these pleasures to last longer or these displeasures to go...

So no, Buddhism isn't destructive in that particular example

And if they cure old age on this planet, would that be a good thing? the planet would be at exploding point, full to the brim very soon if that were the case

So.... Not sure how else to answer that

Buddhism takes the issues we have in life and helps.us let go of them until, nothing more and nothing less
"Your job in practise is to know the difference between the heart and the activity of the heart, that is it, it is that simple" Ajahn Tate

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by manas » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:49 pm

alfa wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:52 am
A buddhist will not even think of ways to stop ageing. So the misery of old age - aches and pains, illnesses etc. - will continue. Just one example.
There are places in the suttas, in which moderation in food, for example, is recommended as being beneficial for physical health. I don't get the impression that the Buddha had no concern for healthy living, quite the opposite.
Like a merchant with a small
but well-laden caravan
–a dangerous road,

like a person who loves life
–a poison,

one should avoid
–evil deeds.

(Dhammapada 123)


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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by Caodemarte » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:46 am

alfa wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:52 am
....Even if it's equanimity, what's the philosophy behind this equanimity? That things are impermanent, there is dukkha, this is samsara, etc. With this attitude, can we ever fight back? Consider ageing. It's likely that a buddhist, even a buddhst doctor, will say ageing is normal and inevitable. The buddha has said so. That's that. A buddhist will not even think of ways to stop ageing. So the misery of old age - aches and pains, illnesses etc. - will continue. Just one example.
Yet historically Buddhists have done exactly that by trying to cure disease, cure the infirmities of old age, prevent famine, fight forest fires and other natural disasters, etc. Please consider that perhaps millions of Buddhists, including the Buddha, have not misunderstood their own religion for thousands of years and just maybe the OP does not fully understand Buddhism.

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by binocular » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:43 am

Caodemarte wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:46 am
Yet historically Buddhists have done exactly that by trying to cure disease, cure the infirmities of old age, prevent famine, fight forest fires and other natural disasters, etc.
Would arahants do those things?
Please consider that perhaps millions of Buddhists, including the Buddha, have not misunderstood their own religion for thousands of years
Not every Buddhist is an arahant.

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alfa wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:54 pm
What I am saying is: while buddhism is good for individuals, is it dangerous to society as a whole? Will society stagnate without any progress?
On principle: Yes.

If we posit that
1. the path of Buddhist practice is effective and leads to enlightenment, so that people actually attain stream entry and higher attainments,
2. stream enterers and those with higher attainments have less, little, or no interest in the affairs of the world,
then people who are seriously committed to the practice and aim for enlightenment won't put in much effort or none at all into improving the worldly situation.

Fortunately for the world, many Buddhists aren't all that interested in attaining nibbana, so they have time, energy, money to improve the worldy situation.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by sunnat » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:08 am

How does not doing bad things, doing good things and purifying the mind not contribute to a better world?

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by binocular » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:43 am

sunnat wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:08 am
How does not doing bad things, doing good things and purifying the mind not contribute to a better world?
Depends on how many people do it and to what extent.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by sunnat » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:53 am

What about one person to the best of their ability

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by Caodemarte » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:37 am

binocular wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:43 am
Caodemarte wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:46 am
Yet historically Buddhists have done exactly that by trying to cure disease, cure the infirmities of old age, prevent famine, fight forest fires and other natural disasters, etc.
Would arahants do those things?
Yes, of course. Do and did. One of the epithets if the Buddha is the Divine Physician for this very reason. His attempts to cure the fundamental illness in no way interfere in attempts to cure other, physical sickness or other problems.

It seems important to stress that Buddha and, at least most, Buddhists are not sociopaths.
sunnat wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:08 am
How does not doing bad things, doing good things and purifying the mind not contribute to a better world?
Good point. It should be clear that this directly contributes to a better world on the spot. Additionally, a revered Sri Lankan monk pointed out that even solitary isolated meditators are like street lamps that make it possible to walk down the road at night. You may not look up and see the streetlight, but try walking or driving without one! BTW, Sri Lankan monks in the villages often serve as the teacher and Aryuvedic/traditional medicine physician and have since the late 1800s.

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Re: Is Buddhism destructive?

Post by Disciple » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:19 am

Japan isn't buddhist? It's one of the most technologically advanced.

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