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Re: jataka tales

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form wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:07 am
justindesilva wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:58 am
form wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:18 am
Can their storylines be taken seriously?
A renownedsychiatrist in sri lanka ( who is expired now)
and a buddhist, Dr. Harishchandra, wrote a thesis on the psychiatrict values of the Jataka stories giving recognition to Jataka stories.
This proves that their storylines can be taken seriously.
Do u mean the lessons behind the stories or the storylines? I agree the lessons are very good, but some of the stories details are absurb like different animals are friends and talking to each others.
Recently with a famous programme a ten years old girl was given an applause for imitating the sounds of various birds and animals. She came out with the fact that she can understand the language of these creatures.
( If I remember well , the programme is Britain has got talent)

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justindesilva wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:58 am
form wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:18 am
Can their storylines be taken seriously?
A renownedsychiatrist in sri lanka ( who is expired now)
and a buddhist, Dr. Harishchandra, wrote a thesis on the psychiatrict values of the Jataka stories giving recognition to Jataka stories.
This proves that their storylines can be taken seriously.
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Re: jataka tales

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form wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:18 am
Can their storylines be taken seriously?




Yes.


And, some skilful teachers just know how to get the most out of these storylines, in all seriousness.


The Elusive Gem:(A moral from Ummagga Jataka)
Towards Calm and Insight - (Page - 42)
by Bhikkhu K. Nanananda
The Elusive Gem
(A moral from Ummagga Jataka)
King Vedeha was informed that there is a gem in the pond by the city-gate. He consulted one of his advisers, Senaka, as to the means of getting it. As suggested by the latter the pond was emptied of its water and when they failed to find the gem, Senaka got the men to take even the mud out. Still, the gem could not be found. But once the pond got filled again, the elusive gem was visible there.

Then the king sought the help of his youngest adviser Bodhisatta Mahosadha, who agreed to solve the problem. He came to the pond and had a look, and understood that the gem is not in the pond but on the palm tree by the bank. He got one of the men to immerse a bowl into the water and showed that the gem is visible there too.

"Where then, is the gem?" asked the King. "It is in the crow's nest on the palm tree" said Mahosadha, "Send someone up and get it down". And so it was got down and given to the king. It was only the reflection that they had sighted in the pond. They had failed to reflect wisely on the REFLECTION!

".....................
.....Pali verse.....
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-Sn. V 756 Dvyatànupassanà S.

Just see a world! with all its gods
Fancying a self, where naught, exists
Entrenched in name and form it holds
The conceit that this is the truth.

So it is the case with the "self-image", "nàma-råpa", reflected on consciousness. Many were the philosophers who traced it (metaphysically) to the bottom of the "pond" of consciousness. But they could not "fathom" it, for their perspective was wrong ("ayoniso manasikàra"). They, too had failed to reflect wisely on the reflection.

Those who "craved" for the gem "ignored" the nest as external because the precious gem shined so internal though both were external, as a matter of fact. Only the Bodhisatta adjusted his perspective so as to see the gem and the nest "as-they-are" i.e mere reflections of the external.

Likewise, only the Buddha, of all religious teachers adjusted his perspective in such way as not to get entangled in the reflection "Nàma råpa". As he put it: "tadapi phassapaccayà" - "that too is due to contact" (Brahmajàla S. D.N.). With his keen insight which was not blocked by any "precious" object ("anàrammanam") he discovered that the "pond" of consciousness has the same crystal clear, lucid limpid nature it always had - for the keen sighted.

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Satullapakāyika Vagga has parallels in Jataka's.
https://suttacentral.net/sn2.20/en/sujato wrote: Standing to one side, the god Anāthapiṇḍika recited these verses in the Buddha’s presence:
..
Then, when the night had passed, the Buddha addressed the mendicants:“Mendicants, tonight, a certain glorious god, lighting up the entire Jeta’s Grove, came to me, bowed, stood to one side,
.
https://suttacentral.net/sn2.20/en/sujato wrote: When he said this, Venerable Ānanda said to the Buddha,
“Sir, that god must surely have been Anāthapiṇḍika.
For the householder Anāthapiṇḍika was devoted to Venerable Sāriputta.
https://suttacentral.net/mn143/en/sujato wrote: And when the venerables Sāriputta and Ānanda had given the householder Anāthapiṇḍika this advice they got up from their seat and left.
Atha kho āyasmā ca sāriputto āyasmā ca ānando anāthapiṇḍikaṃ gahapatiṃ iminā ovādena ovaditvā uṭṭhāyāsanā pakkamiṃsu.

Not long after they had left, Anāthapiṇḍika passed away and was reborn in the host of Joyful Gods.Atha kho anāthapiṇḍiko gahapati, acirapakkante āyasmante ca sāriputte āyasmante ca ānande, kālamakāsi tusitaṃ kāyaṃ upapajji.
https://suttacentral.net/mn143/en/sujato wrote: Then, late at night, the glorious god Anāthapiṇḍika, lighting up the entire Jeta’s Grove, went up to the Buddha, bowed, stood to one side,
and addressed the Buddha in verse:
..
“This is indeed that Jeta’s Grove,“Idañhi taṃ jetavanaṃ,
frequented by the Saṅgha of hermits,isisaṅghanisevitaṃ;
where the King of Dhamma stayed:Āvutthaṃ dhammarājena,
it brings me joy!pītisañjananaṃ mama.
...
This can be considered like Jataka but during that time. How many people would believe it in todays time?

person died and became god at the same day(not sure if same day, it says not long after he died and then late at night went up to the buddha). And how he addresses “This is indeed that Jeta’s Grove," suggest there won't be any alternative realm, just this same.

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Re: jataka tales

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Its possible that the pali canon is compiled by atheists, that the Jataka type of narrative is just left out. Similar what some think were done to the Bible that the mystic parts are left out.

MN 116, and check the parallel in Chinese. edit* actually no point look for specific Sutta, seem like its more common occurrence.

noteworthy also is different English translations from pali are way too different.

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