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Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:10 am
by form
Is this approach something modern?

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:21 am
by sunnat
Not quite sure what you mean but the story of a person driven very insane by suffering and reaching Buddha whose teachings cures her https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patacara

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:48 am
by form
Sorry should be defilements as mental illness

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 am
by sunnat
Everyone, except the fully liberated ones, is to some degree mentally ill. The defilements are the expressions of craving and ignorance. A society may decide to label some of these expressions as mental illness.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:21 am
by Sam Vara
In the West, psychiatrists and other professionals have managed to define an increasing number of conditions and experiences and behaviours as mental illness. We tend to view the world through a medical lens, so the "mental illness" metaphor found within the suttas tends to get emphasised.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:55 am
by form
Sam Vara wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:21 am
In the West, psychiatrists and other professionals have managed to define an increasing number of conditions and experiences and behaviours as mental illness. We tend to view the world through a medical lens, so the "mental illness" metaphor found within the suttas tends to get emphasised.
This approach is casually mentioned in bodhi's book 8foldpath and w rahula's what the Buddha's taught. That is why I thought they may have read from an influential reference. I suspect pali text society, but it is just my gutt feeling.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:50 am
by justindesilva
sunnat wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 am
Everyone, except the fully liberated ones, is to some degree mentally ill. The defilements are the expressions of craving and ignorance. A society may decide to label some of these expressions as mental illness.
Mental illness arises due to cravings ( greed vexation & illusion. This fact is well explained in Sabbasava sutta.
It is also mentioned that sabbasava sutta refers to thoughts emotions and desires and is a sutta referred to persons rather than damma. Fermentations arising from cravings from the past according to sutta has to be abandoned by seeing restraint usage toleration avoiding destroying or by development. In destroying craving emotions and thoughts are de-fermented.
Asava ( desires in sinhala) can be subdued by methods mentioned above.
In western medicine electrolysis which suppress thoughts and emotions are used to cure mental illness but is not permanent. But the methods of meditation to suppress mental fermentation can stop emotions due to thoughts of cravings.
May I request the post readers to read sabbasava sutta as I am unable to down load for reference.
May I also mention that emotions of love and anger are caused by hormones which are developed within us.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:33 am
by Aloka
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Mental illness can also be genetic.



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Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:59 am
by justindesilva
Aloka wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:33 am
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Mental illness can also be genetic.



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But being born in such a family could be ones karma too.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am
by form
Aloka wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:33 am
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Mental illness can also be genetic.



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Kammic tendencies could have correlation with certain DNA patterns.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 am
by Aloka
form wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am

Kammic tendencies could have correlation with certain DNA patterns.

Can you give any examples ?


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Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 pm
by form
Aloka wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 am
form wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am

Kammic tendencies could have correlation with certain DNA patterns.

Can you give any examples ?


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DNA pattern affects the expression of certain brain chemicals which will affect behaviour, mood and emotions.

This will be the biological approach of psychology. For example, they use a medicine to alter a neurotransmitter level to improve mood of a patient.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:49 pm
by Nicolas
Roga Sutta (AN 4.157) wrote: Bhikkhus, there are these two kinds of illness. Which two? Bodily illness and mentall illness. People are found who can claim to enjoy bodily health for one, two, three, four, and five years; for ten, twenty, thirty, forty, and fifty years; and oeven for a hundred years and more. But apart from those whose taints have been destroyed, it is hard to find people in the world who can claim to enjoy mental health even for a moment.

Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pm
by cappuccino
Nicolas wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:49 pm
Roga Sutta (AN 4.157) wrote: Bhikkhus, there are these two kinds of illness. Which two? Bodily illness and mentall illness. People are found who can claim to enjoy bodily health for one, two, three, four, and five years; for ten, twenty, thirty, forty, and fifty years; and oeven for a hundred years and more. But apart from those whose taints have been destroyed, it is hard to find people in the world who can claim to enjoy mental health even for a moment.
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Re: Dukka problem as a mental illness

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 pm
by befriend
There's a lot of ways people can get psychosis genetic predisposition, solitary confinement, and sometimes it just happens without genetics.