Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

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Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by form » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:38 am

Is that a goal for a Buddhist?

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by SarathW » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:44 am

No.
The end object is to end all suffering. ie: no birth.
However a fortunate rebirth may be a bonus for some who have not attained Arahantship.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by justindesilva » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:28 am

form wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:38 am
Is that a goal for a Buddhist?
Aiming at a fortunate birth is upadana or clinging of bhava.

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by cappuccino » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:55 am

the fortunate birth has come, here & now

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by DooDoot » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:55 am

Yes.
For many Buddhists (unable to give up self-view), aiming for a fortunate rebirth is the goal.
This is taught in DN 31 & elsewhere.
The ascetics and brahmans thus ministered to as the Zenith by a householder show their compassion towards him in six ways:

(i) they restrain him from evil,
(ii) they persuade him to do good,
(iii) they love him with a kind heart,
(iv) they make him hear what he has not heard,
(v) they clarify what he has already heard,
(vi) they point out the path to a heavenly state.

DN 31
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by sunnat » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:25 am

one may die at any moment. nibbana is the goal. make sure that if one dies before that the rebirth is good. So, yes.

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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by Dinsdale » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:34 am

MN60 gives a more nuanced account.

https://suttacentral.net/mn60/en/sujato
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Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

Post by Dinsdale » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:14 am

I did a search on Sutta Central for "fortunate rebirth" and only got one result:
https://suttacentral.net/search?query=% ... rebirth%22

So maybe it isn't a big thing in the suttas. The suttas seem more concerned with ways of avoiding an unfortunate rebirth.
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