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Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:22 am
by form
It seems to me that just penetrating the 4NT will be enough to get beyond Dukka. So what are the other stuff doing in the nikayas?

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:44 am
by cappuccino
the teaching is simple yet complex at the same time

reading daily will clarify in a few years

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:46 am
by santa100
Just like there're different zoom levels: bird's-eye view, close-up view, microscopic view, etc., the Dhamma also provides various "zoom" layers from large to more fine-grained. The 4NT is actually sort of a more close-up view already. From a higher level, it's equally valid to say that just penetrating the teaching of: "To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind." (Dhp 14.183) will be enough to get beyond Dukkha.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:40 am
by Srilankaputra
Due to the vastness of ignorance.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:38 am
by SarathW
It is important to understand that all the knowledge in this world is a fabrication.
Nothing is the ultimate truth.
Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:52 am
by Srilankaputra
SarathW wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:38 am
It is important to understand that all the knowledge in this world is a fabrication.
Nothing is the ultimate truth.
Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.
:bow:

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:10 am
by form
SarathW wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:38 am
It is important to understand that all the knowledge in this world is a fabrication.
Nothing is the ultimate truth.
Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.
:goodpost:

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:04 pm
by Antaradhana
SarathW wrote:Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.
Dhamma - akālika (timeless). All buddhas, in all times, in all world systems, in all cycles of existence - always open the same Dhamma, the same Four Truths.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:14 pm
by Antaradhana
form wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:22 am
It seems to me that just penetrating the 4NT will be enough to get beyond Dukka. So what are the other stuff doing in the nikayas?
Truths are revealed in detail, for example, the second truth includes a paticcasamuppada, etc. For awakening, it is enough for someone to hear a superficial lecture on Dhamma, but there were only a handful of such people even in the time of the Buddha, and now there is probably no such thing at all, since now is a time of decline. For most people, it is necessary to study the Dhamma in great detail and possibly over many lifetimes in order to understand and comprehend the deep meaning.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:22 pm
by DooDoot
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:52 am
:bow:
The Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths exist, whether or not they are discovered by a Buddha. SarathW seems to be posting Mahayana & Christian ideas, including here. :roll:
AN 3.136 & SN 12.20 wrote:Whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this regularity of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma, this this/that conditionality. The Tathagata directly awakens to that, breaks through to that. Directly awakening & breaking through to that, he declares it, teaches it, describes it, sets it forth.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:27 pm
by DooDoot
form wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:22 am
It seems to me that just penetrating the 4NT will be enough to get beyond Dukka. So what are the other stuff doing in the nikayas?
The suttas appear to say stream-entry was attained from penetrating the 4NTs (SN 56.11) and arahantship was attained from penetrating the three characteristics (SN 22.59). Its seems the 3Cs is a more powerful realisation than the 4NTs.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm
by Srilankaputra
Antaradhana wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:52 am
Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.
Dhamma - akālika (timeless). All buddhas, in all times, in all world systems, in all cycles of existence - always open the same Dhamma, the same Four Truths.
Hi,

I think you made a mistake. I didn't write what you tagged.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:19 pm
by Srilankaputra
DooDoot wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:22 pm
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:52 am
:bow:
The Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths exist, whether or not they are discovered by a Buddha. SarathW seems to be posting Mahayana & Christian ideas, including here. :roll:
AN 3.136 & SN 12.20 wrote:Whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this regularity of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma, this this/that conditionality. The Tathagata directly awakens to that, breaks through to that. Directly awakening & breaking through to that, he declares it, teaches it, describes it, sets it forth.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Hi DD,

Shouldn't you ask Sarath? Why did you tag me?

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:21 pm
by Antaradhana
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm
Antaradhana wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:52 am
Even Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold path is a fabrication as a knowledge.
Buddha taught only the fabricated knowledge required for the liberation.
Dhamma - akālika (timeless). All buddhas, in all times, in all world systems, in all cycles of existence - always open the same Dhamma, the same Four Truths.
Hi,

I think you made a mistake. I didn't write what you tagged.
Hi,

I mean that Dhamma (4 Truths) is an immutable law, not fabricated knowledge.

P.S. Sorry, I noticed an error in authorship when quoting. I have corrected.

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:28 pm
by Srilankaputra
Antaradhana wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:21 pm
Srilankaputra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm
Antaradhana wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:04 pm


Dhamma - akālika (timeless). All buddhas, in all times, in all world systems, in all cycles of existence - always open the same Dhamma, the same Four Truths.
Hi,

I think you made a mistake. I didn't write what you tagged.
Hi,

I mean that Dhamma (4 Truths) is an immutable law, not fabricated knowledge.
Ah! I thought you were trying to communicate with Sarath and made a mistake.

Might I ask what is the relationship of an Arahant with the Noble Truths, who has finished the task, laid down the burden and achieved the goal of the holy life?