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pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by khemindas » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:13 am

Is there any studies on a topic about Buddhism, that was exist between first and second councils, before Asoka, or at least between first and third councils?

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by DNS » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:48 am

khemindas wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:13 am
Is there any studies on a topic about Buddhism, that was exist between first and second councils, before Asoka, or at least between first and third councils?
That's a topic I have been interested in too. Here are some analyses:
Chronology of Pali Canon
Authenticity of Early Buddhist Texts

For Classical Theravadin view, the entire Tipitaka is buddhavacana, for those with a more Suttanta view, it is the first 4 Nikayas and some of the books of the KN. The Suttanta, Modern Theravada view is that the Abhidhamma and other books were added around Ashoka time and after.

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by sentinel » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:07 am

According to venerable yin shun the four agama (equivalent to four nikaya) development gradually came to be in between the first and second council and not all at the same time . He suggested that in order to understand the original teachings of the Buddha , one has to investigate into sabbatthivada four agama and Tambapaṇṇiya (that is now known as Theravada which actually is a Vibhajjavāda subset) four nikaya the Pali Canon . The direction is to focus on the nidana , ahara , sacca , ayatani , khandas , indriya and the sati ( bodhipakkhikā ) etc dhamma . However, venerable passed away before he could complete the researches .
Yet , it is said continuing the research perform by bhikkhu vupasama (not a successor of venerable yin shun) has completed the comparative analysis and said successfully restored the original teachings of the Buddha .
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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by khemindas » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:37 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:07 am
According to venerable yin shun the four agama (equivalent to four nikaya) development gradually came to be in between the first and second council and not all at the same time . He suggested that in order to understand the original teachings of the Buddha , one has to investigate into sabbatthivada four agama and Tambapaṇṇiya (that is now known as Theravada which actually is a Vibhajjavāda subset) four nikaya the Pali Canon . The direction is to focus on the nidana , ahara , sacca , ayatani , khandas , indriya and the sati ( bodhipakkhikā ) etc dhamma . However, venerable passed away before he could complete the researches .
Yet , it is said continuing the research perform by bhikkhu vupasama (not a successor of venerable yin shun) has completed the comparative analysis and said successfully restored the original teachings of the Buddha .
Any website where works of ven. Vupasama?

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by DNS » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:49 pm

khemindas wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:37 pm
sentinel wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:07 am
According to venerable yin shun the four agama (equivalent to four nikaya) development gradually came to be in between the first and second council and not all at the same time . He suggested that in order to understand the original teachings of the Buddha , one has to investigate into sabbatthivada four agama and Tambapaṇṇiya (that is now known as Theravada which actually is a Vibhajjavāda subset) four nikaya the Pali Canon . The direction is to focus on the nidana , ahara , sacca , ayatani , khandas , indriya and the sati ( bodhipakkhikā ) etc dhamma . However, venerable passed away before he could complete the researches .
Yet , it is said continuing the research perform by bhikkhu vupasama (not a successor of venerable yin shun) has completed the comparative analysis and said successfully restored the original teachings of the Buddha .
Any website where works of ven. Vupasama?
Just from google search found this:
https://www.arahant.org/introduction-ven-bhikkhu
https://www.arahant.org/introduction-or ... sm-society

It sounds pretty good, so far, from what I have just skimmed. He appears to have some background in Theravada and Chan, I think? It sounds pretty similar to my own views, but haven't read it in detail yet.

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by form » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:43 am

"Not only does Master Vūpasama not receive, use, nor accumulate money offered by devotees, but he also does not have a kappiya (layman) to manage money on his behalf. He travels around the world to spread the Buddha's original teachings and does not reside in one location permanently."

How did he survive?

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by form » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:48 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:07 am
According to venerable yin shun the four agama (equivalent to four nikaya) development gradually came to be in between the first and second council and not all at the same time . He suggested that in order to understand the original teachings of the Buddha , one has to investigate into sabbatthivada four agama and Tambapaṇṇiya (that is now known as Theravada which actually is a Vibhajjavāda subset) four nikaya the Pali Canon . The direction is to focus on the nidana , ahara , sacca , ayatani , khandas , indriya and the sati ( bodhipakkhikā ) etc dhamma . However, venerable passed away before he could complete the researches .
Yet , it is said continuing the research perform by bhikkhu vupasama (not a successor of venerable yin shun) has completed the comparative analysis and said successfully restored the original teachings of the Buddha .
Did yin shun have any book in English that is about the
historical development of the nikayas?

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by sentinel » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:04 am

form wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:48 pm
Did yin shun have any book in English that is about the
historical development of the nikayas?
Below are venerable yin shun writing in Chinese but translation into English in the process .



A). An Investigation into Emptiness: Parts One and Two, Towaco, NJ: Noble Path Buddhist Education Fellowship Incorporated, 2017. Translation of 《空之探究》 by Shi Hui Feng.

B). Over 50 works in Chinese Mandarin, on a range of issues, covering many thousands of pages. These are presently in the process of translation into English.


http://www.yinshun.org.tw/YSF/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140528124 ... ao_yun.pdf

http://www.mahabodhi.org/files/yinshun/index.html

These are all about Indian Buddhism history , early Mahayana and the Agama + Nikaya .

其他專門研究

空之探究
印度佛教思想史
原始佛教聖典之集成
印度之佛教
雜阿含經論會編(上)
雜阿含經論會編(中)
雜阿含經論會編(下)
雜阿含經部類之整編
說一切有部為主的論師與論書之研究
初期大乘佛教之起源與開展
 
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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by form » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:01 am

sentinel wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:04 am
form wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:48 pm
Did yin shun have any book in English that is about the
historical development of the nikayas?
Below are venerable yin shun writing in Chinese but translation into English in the process .



A). An Investigation into Emptiness: Parts One and Two, Towaco, NJ: Noble Path Buddhist Education Fellowship Incorporated, 2017. Translation of 《空之探究》 by Shi Hui Feng.

B). Over 50 works in Chinese Mandarin, on a range of issues, covering many thousands of pages. These are presently in the process of translation into English.






http://www.yinshun.org.tw/YSF/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140528124 ... ao_yun.pdf




http://www.mahabodhi.org/files/yinshun/index.html

These are all about Indian Buddhism history , early Mahayana and the Agama + Nikaya .

其他專門研究

空之探究
印度佛教思想史
原始佛教聖典之集成
印度之佛教
雜阿含經論會編(上)
雜阿含經論會編(中)
雜阿含經論會編(下)
雜阿含經部類之整編
說一切有部為主的論師與論書之研究
初期大乘佛教之起源與開展
 
Thank you bro for such a comprehensive listings.

Has he ever met and talked to Hsu Yun?

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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by sentinel » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:49 am

form wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:01 am

Has he ever met and talked to Hsu Yun?
It appears venerable yin shun in his last writing 永光集 Yong Guang collection mentioned that he did met Hsu yun in 1931 .

民國二十年,我曾在鼓山住了一學期,見到了虛老。對那時鼓山的法務,也知道一些,覺得與《傳略》有些不同。
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Re: pre-asokan Buddhism

Post by form » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:00 am

sentinel wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:49 am
form wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:01 am

Has he ever met and talked to Hsu Yun?
It appears venerable yin shun in his last writing 永光集 Yong Guang collection mentioned that he did met Hsu yun in 1931 .

民國二十年,我曾在鼓山住了一學期,見到了虛老。對那時鼓山的法務,也知道一些,覺得與《傳略》有些不同。
Thanks for sharing.

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