due to faulty eyesight and just me being Pulsar ...
It is good that you wrote. the confusion partly arises from the way you understand Arupa as somethingYou wrote Just a quick note: the very last part of what I wrote and which you brought above (red) does not accurately say what I wanted to say. What the red text seems to imply is that "a peaceful awareness-release" means one of the arupas. This was not what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say was "so this again seems to support the idea that in the jambali sutta "a peaceful awareness-release" might apply to the arupas." The difference being that "a peaceful awareness-release" might be pointing to the arupas as well as the fourth rupa.
I'm writing this note now in the hopes of helping you avoid dealing with something I did not intend to say. I will be commenting on your post soon I hope.
Sorry to have mistakenly posted something which might have caused needless effort to dispel.
specifically different from Rupa, partly the Pali canon is to be faulted.
There are some things that Canon never demarcates, for instance I've seen Ven. BB himself say that
Of course there is the ten-fold path (MN 117 right in front of people's eyes), but one person says 'it is fake' and many believe him. Bodhi also sayscanon
never bothers to differentiate between a mundane 8-fold path and the supra-mundane 8-fold path
the Pali canon also does not differentiate between
So folks are confused. I understand this.mundane jhana (buddhist meditation) and supra mundane jhana
My point being Arupa is a label stuck on something. Arupa in other words is
One would experience this several times in a lifetime.'imageless consciousness, consciousness without labels'
Just being absorbed in a sensation that arises from one's toe, or gazing at the sea.... the sound when it
arrives as if no thing is emanating it, or no one is hearing it, just the sound, i.e. an Arupa/imageless consciousness, (not subject, not object)
Like Buddha said to Bahia "in the sound is only the sound'
We all have these moments, but without training our consciousness, (via jhana) these truths
are only glimpses, these do not persist, or sustain us.
What I mean to say is, one cannot draw a distinction at the highest point of the
meditation on fine-material sphere. (i.e. 4th Jhana, or what is labelled
as a Rupa jhana)