Sam Vara wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:07 pm
Do you see "trajectory" here as being a whole life, or a temporary part of it that coheres together? Is it possible for some of our projects and intentions to spring from wisdom rather than ignorance? This ties in with the point (often made here on DW) that one needs to sort out Right View first, or the rest of the practice will be somehow misguided.
There is no reason to assume that a non-Buddhist who doesn't have any concept of the Dhamma will be unable to develop the 10 perfections (dasa pāramiyo
) to some degree, but they aren't just going to get lucky and stumble into Dhamma and/or right view as a result of that most basic wisdom. Not independent of the existing Buddha-sasana and otherwise only as a paccekabuddha.
But as I was saying in the other thread, if the stakes do not get elevated, the results won't get elevated either. If a practitioner isn't putting their comfort on the line and deeply contemplating ideas which are severely contrary to normal modes of regarding oneself, those wrong views will never uproot.
Obviously for us as practitioners the degree of access affords us quite a bit opportunity and variability in terms if how far we take things. We have the ability to conceptualize things that seem ridiculous to someone who hasn't prepared any ground. So for us things apply at a much deeper and more effective position in our understanding. It is, of course, our gift as practitioners to have that access, but it can also be a curse if we get intoxicated with mere affiliation and do not make a concerted effort to progress.
My point being, yes there is progress to be made prior to right view and it can be know as progress simply by how it corresponds to the meanings we have read about and heard about. I think I said to binocular in another thread that something like the seven factors can be recognized as growing according to how they are described in the suttas and even if it doesn't make it to right view the progression can be accurate and based on that, a very supreme form of faith can represent that something more legitimate is much closer than it used to be.
So as far as right view being a prerequisite to any motion whatsoever is absurd and dangerous. As faith grows and you start to move, things get discovered and the faith gets displaced by understanding and faith goes onto apply to something else on the horizon. That risk has to be taken. You have to try. If you wait to sort it out, you're going to be doing so in a mode totally rooted in the ignorance that has kept you in samsara up to that point. You may do some solid prep work from that position but to have things change you have to take a chance on incomplete information.
Reckless? Absolutely. But presuming people gravitate towards Buddhism because of disenchantment with the world, it really isn't so much of a risk. For me, I would have rather crashed and burned and gone insane in my pursuit of Dhamma than to stay in that ordinary mode. Depends on what you are willing to put on the line. I guess it is no different than the conditions that cause revolutions. The people have to be so fed up that they are willing to die to bring about change.
My goodness, I'm long-winded today