Do people rejoice at the prospect of their annullment?
Sure, many rejoice about the Buddha's attainment.
Atha kho bhagavā imaṃ udānaṃ udānesi:
Then the Buddha was inspired to exclaim:
“aññāsi vata bho, koṇḍañño, aññāsi vata bho, koṇḍañño”ti.
“Koṇḍañña has really understood! Koṇḍañña has really understood!”
Iti hidaṃ āyasmato koṇḍaññassa “aññāsikoṇḍañño” tveva nāmaṃ ahosīti.
And that’s how Venerable Koṇḍañña came to be known as “Koṇḍañña Who Understood”.
I am pretty much sure the faith followers and dhamma followers are the noble ariyas who have attained the magga(path) to sotappana and are not ordinary individuals.SarathW wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:11 am
The above Sutta series gives us some assurance even if you not a Sotapanna. Basically, if you understand at least one aspect of Dependent Origination you are assured Sotapanna state in this very life.
“Mendicants, the eye is impermanent, perishing, and changing. The ear, nose, tongue, body, and mind are impermanent, perishing, and changing. Someone who has faith and confidence in these principles is called a follower by faith. They’ve arrived at inevitability regarding the right path, they’ve arrived at the level of the good person, and they’ve transcended the level of the bad person. They can’t do any deed which would make them be reborn in hell, the animal realm, or the ghost realm. They can’t die without realizing the fruit of stream-entry.
Important point.santa100 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:30 am... by looking at the entire paragraph, the obvious question is, what is the metric to prove that one's indeed had "placed faith in these teachings and resolves on them" to be considered a follower by faith? And the answer is in the subsequent phrases: "one who has entered the fixed course of rightness, entered the plane of superior persons, transcended the plane of the worldlings. He is incapable of doing any deed by reason of which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal realm, or in the domain of ghosts".
The beginning of 8NP to me is five precepts as the first 5 steps of both are either the same or parallel.
Yes, if one have deep and sensere faith in Triple Gem and logical understanding of it, at the moment of the death it's said that he will realise the Fruit.
In Theistic religions with the faith in an all powerful god the five precepts are based on the ten commandments of the old testament. Those followers obey the rules as commandments. But a follower of Buddha damma observes the five precepts on an understanding of caturarya satya explained by lord Buddha.
Could you give the Sutta support for this?
Unfortunately the above provides no info. on the estimated quantity of noble disciples, not even some rough estimation. So while it's probably a stretch to compare the odds to splitting hair with an arrow, it's certainly not easy to attain Sotapanna-hood. If we use some plain old logic here, there're roughly ~ 2,000 billionaires in the world today, and there's no doubt it'd take quite some extraordinary previous-life-merit and current-life-effort to become a member of this club right? Now, unless one can say for certain that the amount of merit and effort it'd take to become a world-transcending Sotapanna is less than those required of a worldly billionaire, we'll have to conclude that the odds, while not terribly bad, is certainly absolutely not some stroll in the park.SarathW wrote:What Buddha said was as far as there are people who follow the Noble Eightfold Path there will not be lack of Arahants in this world.