Nibbana and unconcious state same?

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In other words, normal sensory consciousness is experienced because it has a "surface" against which it lands: the sense organs and their objects, which constitute the "all." For instance, we experience visual consciousness because of the eye and forms of which we are conscious. Consciousness without surface, however, is directly known, without intermediary, free from any dependence on conditions at all.
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cappuccino wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:55 pm
pegembara wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:11 am As you hinted, consciousness dependently arises. Consciousness is not "something" floating in ether.
Consciousness without surface
You mean "consciousness" with NIBBANA as the object. Without "consciousness" there really isn't anything to discuss. It is finished.
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Nirvana isn't an object of consciousness

at least in the end

it's a state of consciousness
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cappuccino wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:52 am Nirvana isn't an object of consciousness

at least in the end

it's a state of consciousness
"There is the unborn....." "There is also the born, the conditioned..."
Sounds pretty much like an object to me.

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Doesn't matter what you call it so long as one recognised the Unconditioned as not-Self.

Sabbe sankhara anicca/dukkha
The Unconditioned is not anicca/dukkha

Sabbe dhamma anatta
The Unconditioned is not-Self.
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pegembara wrote: Sounds pretty much like an object to me.
it would be until the last stage
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cappuccino wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:27 pm
pegembara wrote: Sounds pretty much like an object to me.
it would be until the last stage
What's left?
The Absolute? The One?
"Just as an oil lamp burns in dependence on oil & wick; and from the termination of the oil & wick — and from not being provided any other sustenance — it goes out unnourished; in the same way, when sensing a feeling limited to the body, he discerns that 'I am sensing a feeling limited to the body.' When sensing a feeling limited to life, he discerns that 'I am sensing a feeling limited to life.' He discerns that 'With the break-up of the body, after the termination of life, everything that is sensed, not being relished, will grow cold right here.'"

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It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,
the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle,
the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified,
Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety,
the Wonderful, the Marvellous,
Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom,
the Island,
the Refuge, the Beyond.
~ S 43.1-44
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