I don't think SN12.61is saying that vinnana, citta and mano are the same thing, rather it's saying that people have different ideas about it, different ways of describing.Srilankaputra wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:04 amI think robertk provided a very clear example above in SN12.61,
https://suttacentral.net/sn12.61/en/sujatoBut that which is called ‘mind’ or ‘sentience’ or ‘consciousness’ arises as one thing and ceases as another all day and all night.
Yañca kho etaṃ, bhikkhave, vuccati cittaṃ itipi, mano itipi, viññāṇaṃ itipi, taṃ rattiyā ca divasassa ca aññadeva uppajjati aññaṃ nirujjhati.
Mano is the exception here, since it can also refer to the mind as a one of the six senses. But Mind base is peculiar in that it can access all the other senses. When mano is included all the other senses are included.
https://suttacentral.net/mn43/en/sujatoWhat do these five faculties, with their different scopes and ranges, have recourse to? What experiences their scopes and ranges?”
“These five faculties, with their different scopes and ranges, have recourse to the mind. And the mind experiences their scopes and ranges.”
(Imesaṃ kho, āvuso, pañcannaṃ indriyānaṃ nānāvisayānaṃ nānāgocarānaṃ, na aññamaññassa gocaravisayaṃ paccanubhontānaṃ, mano paṭisaraṇaṃ, mano ca nesaṃ gocaravisayaṃ paccanubhotī”ti.)
I agree that mano has a range of meaning, but I don't think it's clear how this relates to vinnana and citta.