Karma is everything!

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Re: Karma is everything!

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:43 pm

saṃyutta nikāya 12

connected discourses on causation

37. Not Yours

At Savatthī. “Bhikkhus, this body is not yours, nor does it belong to others. It is old kamma, to be seen as generated and fashioned by volition, as something to be felt. Therein, bhikkhus, the instructed noble disciple attends carefully and closely to dependent origination itself thus: ‘When this exists, that comes to be; with the arising of this, that arises. When this does not exist, that does not come to be; with the cessation of this, that ceases. That is, with ignorance as condition, volitional formations come to be; with volitional formations as condition, consciousness…. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering. But with the remainderless fading away and cessation of ignorance comes cessation of volitional formations; with the cessation of volitional formations, cessation of consciousness…. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering.”
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Re: Karma is everything!

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Re: Karma is everything!

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:25 am

Virgo wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:29 am
If you can go beyond birth and death, one can go beyond the ripening of karma.

Accurate statement, rarely understood.

As for the OP's comment about the domain of kamma, it's true as far as paticcasamuppada goes.

On account of avijja, sankharas arises, and those sankharas are kamma. Subsequent nidanas are also sankharas, in that they are formed dhammas, dependent upon avijja. It is for this reason, that Virgo's comment is correct. Paticcasamuppada in cessation model details how birth and death come to an end, with the cessation of avijja, and with that the cessation of the entire mass of dukkha.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Karma is everything!

Post by sunnat » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:31 am

A measure of faith is called for until continuing to practice provides the answer. Some understanding is only to be had through direct experience.

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Re: Karma is everything!

Post by form » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:24 am

One knows of a bad person that never suffer retribution, even died a peaceful death. One assumes, oh it is not just about one life time. Can one said nothing has been proven, all are just assumptions.

Or just based on reading the suttas, I want to be a faith follower? Well, in AN, the Buddha told us not to speculate on Karma.

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Re: Karma is everything!

Post by robertk » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:06 am

long discussion about Buddha having or not having dukkha moved to here

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