Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

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Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by sentinel » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:22 am

Jeff bezos , Bill gates , Warren buffett among the wealthiest person in the world and they are not buddhist . The texts appears to say that offering makes to the Buddha and arhat and Buddha dhamma sangha yields the highest merits . Why then the wealthiest person were not from buddhist fellows or wealthiest country not of buddhist nation ?

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by SDC » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:26 am

This conjecture is a shot in the dark, but it is likely deeds done in a past life which put them in such fortunate positions. They don't owe homage to Buddhism for having that merit pay off.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by JamesTheGiant » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:27 am

Because the merit-points only turn into money in the next life?

[Edit: SDC beat me to it as I was typing that.]

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by JamesTheGiant » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:31 am

sentinel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:22 am
Why then the wealthiest person were not from buddhist fellows or wealthiest country not of buddhist nation ?
A similar question that has been asked in the past is "Why are many of the Buddhist countries third-world hellholes of civil war/ oppression/ tropical diseases/ poverty."

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Post by tamdrin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:05 pm

A lot of people who are wealthy have merit but they don't necessarily have the wisdom to see the incredible value of dhamma or the nature of samsara.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by justindesilva » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:10 pm

sentinel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:22 am
Jeff bezos , Bill gates , Warren buffett among the wealthiest person in the world and they are not buddhist . The texts appears to say that offering makes to the Buddha and arhat and Buddha dhamma sangha yields the highest merits . Why then the wealthiest person were not from buddhist fellows or wealthiest country not of buddhist nation ?

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Steve Jobs the founder of Apple smart phone company was one of richest business magnates in America was a practising buddhist.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by 2600htz » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 pm

Hello:

Well according to suttas , the richest man alive doesnt come close to being owner of the "highest merit".
People who gave at the time of the Buddha had mostly a rebirth in deva or brahma realms, so it is consistent.
Bill Gates might have been a buddhist in the recent past, who knows. People became rich and had good rebirths long before the Buddha.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by Alīno » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 pm

Because buddhists are bad clients. Detachment, non-greed, simple way of life, etc. Buddhism goes agains capitalism.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by sentinel » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:42 pm

Nwad wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 pm
Because buddhists are bad clients. Detachment, non-greed, simple way of life, etc. Buddhism goes agains capitalism.
This could be the reason .
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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by santa100 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:12 pm

sentinel wrote:The texts appears to say that offering makes to the Buddha and arhat and Buddha dhamma sangha yields the highest merits.
There're 31 Planes of Existence and the merit of being the wealthiest person on earth would still be worlds away from the highest merits. Simply look at a being in the animal realm, one class below the human realm, a king cockroach might be the boss in his domain, but he's still a cockroach nevertheless.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by Jerafreyr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:19 pm

sentinel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:42 pm
Nwad wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 pm
Because buddhists are bad clients. Detachment, non-greed, simple way of life, etc. Buddhism goes agains capitalism.
This could be the reason .
I doubt it. Anathapindika was a capitalist. Anyone who controls their own revenue stream is a capitalist. Why do so many so called Buddhists hate capitalism (of which there are no true capitalist nations today).

When you control your own profits you can donate as you see fit. The real reason people don't gravitate to Buddhism is because it goes against the flow of society.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by sentinel » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm

2600htz wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 pm


Well according to suttas , the richest man alive doesnt come close to being owner of the "highest merit".
People who gave at the time of the Buddha had mostly a rebirth in deva or brahma realms, so it is consistent.
santa100 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:12 pm

There're 31 Planes of Existence and the merit of being the wealthiest person on earth would still be worlds away from the highest merits. Simply look at a being in the animal realm, one class below the human realm, a king cockroach might be the boss in his domain, but he's still a cockroach nevertheless.

If looking at the highest realm i.e. neither perception not non perception , inhabitants are mostly belongs to those non buddhist .


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Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:19 pm


The real reason people don't gravitate to Buddhism is because it goes against the flow of society.
If most buddhist aspire for liberation , would them still spend time going after present life wealth ?

Why do you think out of ten , seven countries that has the highest ranking of reserve gasoline or petrol were Islamic countries ?
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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by Jerafreyr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:01 pm

sentinel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm
If most buddhist aspire for liberation , would them still spend time going after present life wealth ?

Why do you think out of ten , seven countries that has the highest ranking of reserve gasoline or petrol were Islamic countries ?
I'm sure wealthy sotapannas exist, just like there are Buddhists whom are married or desire partners. Without others providing us outlets for work we would all be very poor.

As to the second question I choose to be silent. It also has nothing to do with wealth.

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by sunnat » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:20 pm

. Siddharta had this to say to Mara as he was striving for liberation :

"Kinsman of the heedless, Evil one, come here for whatever purpose: I haven't, for merit, the least bit of need. Those who have need of merit: those are the ones Mara's fit to address." in the PadhanaSutta.

Also in the VelamaSutta he states,( after having listed all the other things that are beneficial, such as giving alms to the Buddha,) as the greatest :

"...though he developed loving kindness to the extent of a whiff of scent, the fruit of cultivating the thought of impermanence, even for the moment of a finger-snap, would have been greater."

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Re: Why the wealthiest person not buddhist ?

Post by Srilankaputra » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:32 pm

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:31 am
sentinel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:22 am
Why then the wealthiest person were not from buddhist fellows or wealthiest country not of buddhist nation ?
A similar question that has been asked in the past is "Why are many of the Buddhist countries third-world hellholes of civil war/ oppression/ tropical diseases/ poverty."
Wait a millenia or so, it might turn out to be the other way round. :lol:
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