cookiemonster wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:19 pm
Since we must "own" our kamma ("I am the owner of actions [kamma]" AN 5.57), and presumably many of our past actions were negligent and unskillful which may have resulted in rebirth in the lower realms, what happens to the vipaka - the fruit - of those past negligent, unskillful kamma when one attains sotapatti?
I'm guessing that it must manifest in the present as suffering in the mind for the sotapanna, since none of that vipaka can manifest through rebirth in the lower realms. Thoughts?
Even arahants can apparently suffer as a result of past misdeeds:
Then Ven. Angulimala, early in the morning, having put on his robes and carrying his outer robe & bowl, went into Savatthi for alms. Now at that time a clod thrown by one person hit Ven. Angulimala on the body, a stone thrown by another person hit him on the body, and a potsherd thrown by still another person hit him on the body. So Ven. Angulimala — his head broken open and dripping with blood, his bowl broken, and his outer robe ripped to shreds — went to the Blessed One. The Blessed One saw him coming from afar and on seeing him said to him: "Bear with it, brahman! Bear with it! The fruit of the kamma that would have burned you in hell for many years, many hundreds of years, many thousands of years, you are now experiencing in the here-&-now!"
And that seems to include physical suffering as well.
There is also the teaching in AN 3.99:
There is the case where a certain individual is developed in the body, developed in virtue, developed in mind [i.e., painful feelings cannot invade the mind and stay there], developed in discernment: unrestricted, large-hearted, dwelling with the immeasurable. A trifling evil act done by this sort of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears for a moment.
So for that developed Sotapanna, there might not be much suffering at all.