Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:20 am
Oh I’m not worried. I know it’s nonsense. Not to get too crass but the Buddha allowed for “men who swallow seamen” to be ordained. That pretty much covers gays.
I think only Moby Dick has ever swallowed seamen.
Sam Vara wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:02 pm
sentinel wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:57 pm
If permitted by the vinaya ,
For gays /bi /les Etc to join monastic , how should them get fitted into the male and female sangha ?
If permitted by the vinaya, then they would join the male or female Sangha according to their biological sex. Gay, lesbian, and bi are to do with orientation, not sex.
At any rate, isn't it a safe assumption that (at least in Western countries) someone who goes for monkhood is someone who already has a solid foundation in buddhist practice, has pretty much figured out the basis of desires (including sexual ones), and is possibly equipped with some degree of skills/understanding to not let such desires arise?
I may be naive, but I'm under the impression that such questions regarding gender segregation and what not arise only for people who haven't really decided themselves to become monks but have been pressured into monkhood for social reasons.
Also, I don't understand in this story of that man turned into a woman, why a simple lustful thought caused him such a nasty (
) fate. I was again under the impression that a lustful thought, being just an uncontrollably arisen experience, can make bad kamma only if you act it out. Any explanations? Thanks.