Secular Buddhism

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by budo » Wed May 15, 2019 2:24 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:20 pm
I encountered Zeus …

he came in a storm and judged the City where I live
You're speaking metaphorically, but has a deva ever come to you literally?

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 2:25 pm

I'm not speaking metaphorically

I could hear his angry words

I just couldn't understand (foreign language)
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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by budo » Wed May 15, 2019 2:28 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:25 pm
I'm not speaking metaphorically

I could hear his angry words

I just couldn't understand (foreign language)
I haven't met Zeus, but I've met a few devas from different planes.. and there's a huge difference between them and their form. You wouldn't forget an appearance from a higher plane deva, from the form plane instead of the sensual plane. It's a memory that will stick with you for life, and I owe that experience to the true Buddha's dhamma :)

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 2:31 pm

cool

I only met ghosts & spirits

they disappear whenever it may please them

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by budo » Wed May 15, 2019 2:33 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:31 pm
cool

I only met ghosts & spirits

they disappear whenever it may please them
I've seen a ghost. A christian priest one at a christian monastery at a vipassana retreat..

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 pm

yes

I feel like someone is there, a lot of the time

yet no one seems to be there

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by budo » Wed May 15, 2019 2:49 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 pm
yes

I feel like someone is there, a lot of the time

yet no one seems to be there
When I said I've seen, I mean I've seen them, like their body and face.. The christian priest one was just standing over me in the morning when I woke up and then disappeared.

However beings from the sensual plane require some concentration to see. This is how you can see if there is a sensual deva around you. If you feel wind on your skin when there is no source of wind, that's a clue, or you hear bells and lute sounds after meditation, that's also a clue. Once you get a clue then enter meditation, preferably first jhana, and you will see their faces, usually flowers around their heads and smiles such, like fairies.

Form plane devas are different, you probably won't see one in your life unless you hit the higher jhanas, and if they do come to you, you won't need to do anything, they'll touch your third eye or heart like a spark of electricity, like being hit by lightning, and awaken your faculties as if you're getting a jolt of energy, and you'll see a new world you haven't ever seen before, literally the energy in everything. This will fade away in 4-5 hours though and you'll be lucky to ever experience that again. They also look like pure bright energy beings, unlike the sensual devas who look like regular good looking people. I imagine people with fourth jhana mastery have this more often.

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 3:00 pm

hm, good experiences

the movie City of Angels is (I think) accurate

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by Bundokji » Wed May 15, 2019 6:51 pm

:popcorn:
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by Aloka » Wed May 15, 2019 7:45 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 3:16 am
clw_uk wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 3:11 am
it seems Ven. Buddhadasa accepted rebirth
Buddhadasa obviously did not teach your version or idea of "rebirth". :roll: Also, there appears to be no Pali word that represents your personal idea of "rebirth".
Buddhadasa wrote:We can conclude by saying that if you understand anattā correctly and truly, then you will discover for yourself that there is no rebirth and no reincarnation. The matter is finished.

https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books7/Budd ... ebirth.pdf
Here's another quote from Ajahn Buddhadasa which I don't think has been posted yet:

Now we hear talk of rebirth, birth again and again, and of the suffering that inevitably goes with it. Just what is this rebirth? What is it that is reborn? The birth referred to is a mental event, Something taking place in the mind-the non-physical side of our make-up. This is "birth" in Dhamma language. "Birth" in everyday language is birth from a mother; "birth" in Dhamma language is birth from ignorance, craving, clinging, the arising of the false notion of "I" and "mine". These are the two meanings of the word "birth".

http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books3/Bhikk ... r_of_I.htm

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 8:49 pm

"Birth" in everyday language is birth from a mother; "birth" in Dhamma language is birth from ignorance, craving, clinging, the arising of the false notion of "I" and "mine".
the same thing - explained by Buddhism

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by DooDoot » Wed May 15, 2019 9:10 pm

:popcorn:
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 pm

forget Ajahn Buddhadasa

Buddha is the teacher

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by DooDoot » Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 am

forget Buddha

Cappuccino's interpretation of Buddha is the teacher
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/paticcasamuppada
https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/anapanasati

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Re: Secular Buddhism

Post by cappuccino » Thu May 16, 2019 1:10 am

A rare rebirth

Just as birds who've escaped
from a net are
few, few
are the people
who make it to heaven.

— Dhp 174

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