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Re: No self theory do I get it right?

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:47 pm
by Jerafreyr
These are three essential points in your post.
Sol wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:50 pm
1) When consciousness exists in the universe, the illusion comes from its fragmented state...
2) ... inter-being is one consciousness, spread out over several locations in the universe...
3) ... everything is dictated by the absolute causality...
1) is consciousness permanent in your view?
2) when you say consciousness is one then when I hear a sound why does everyone else not hear it? A unique shard of a shattered mirror is no longer the mirror itself even though it shares some similar characteristics.
3) how does an absolute cause produce (impermanent) effects? It follows that since you can observe its temporal effects that it's impermanent nature is the same (since it too can be perceived). Basically, that which produces effects is impelled by circumstance.

Even brahma dies.

Re: No self theory do I get it right?

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:06 am
by Sol
Jerafreyr wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:47 pm
These are three essential points in your post.
Sol wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:50 pm
1) When consciousness exists in the universe, the illusion comes from its fragmented state...
2) ... inter-being is one consciousness, spread out over several locations in the universe...
3) ... everything is dictated by the absolute causality...
1) is consciousness permanent in your view?
2) when you say consciousness is one then when I hear a sound why does everyone else not hear it? A unique shard of a shattered mirror is no longer the mirror itself even though it shares some similar characteristics.
3) how does an absolute cause produce (impermanent) effects? It follows that since you can observe its temporal effects that it's impermanent nature is the same (since it too can be perceived). Basically, that which produces effects is impelled by circumstance.

Even brahma dies.
1) No. It arises and ceases depending on the circumstances. I was talking about the illusion of "my body", "my universe" and such.

2) I meant that, in emptiness, there is no real location to anything, which could imply a self, though in ultimate reality there is not even a consciousness. Perhaps I missphrased myself.

3) I stand corrected.

Re: No self theory do I get it right?

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:06 pm
by auto
Jerafreyr wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 3:51 pm
auto wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:16 am
so don't even pretend you know what is meant with the no self and on what...

unknot...untie knots etc.
It was nice chatting when there was less pride.

If there is a self then where did it come from? Your mother or father? The self is the origin of knots and you will tire yourself into their webs by clinging to identity.
1st person self. If you refer to it then it is in 3rd person. when you open a door then its You(self) who is opening the door in first person. The self doesn't have to come anywhere..

when dwelling in that 1st person state there will over time form a cloud and looking into it there is movement.

now when you come aware that you are in 1st person then you will abide in that cloud in head area and start apply force to sensual organs till pressure will take a hold there then from there the pressure cloud will spread upward.
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and when you are in certain stage you repeat the same things and think in a certain way and have certain knowledge and habits etc till its done.

i hope you get pass the no-self bs faster.

thanks to the self, you are able to comprehend movement, acknowledge movement of leaves on trees etc.


Unless you don't want to cultivate body and mind and become a superhuman, don't bother and just continue go with the mentality what impair yourself from development.

Re: No self theory do I get it right?

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:53 pm
by auto
Jerafreyr wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 pm
When you wake up from the dream of self you will breathe relief and your body will be suffused with joy; the mind and appearances become luminous.
What does mean waking up from the dream of self?..Do you mean waking up from the belief that there is a self?
Do people who think there is a self, breath differently? does the mind and appearances will stay luminous, if not then did the self dream came back?

im sceptic on what you say and claim because it feels like the text you write is too little discerned.


in short, when you wake up from the dream of self, will the self view come back or is it permanent?
and if it comes back why you not notice that you have self?

Re: No self theory do I get it right?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 12:16 pm
by auto
polo wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:13 am
I am sure some kind soul out there can explain to me the "no self" theory. I may be wrong or totally wrong, from what I understand say if I called myself John or Jack and which part of me is John or Jack, the brain, the cells? Or if you say the whole person but the whole person is not the same it is changing all the time because the cells died and changed. This constantly changing biological entity has no self same with the universe which is constantly changing though in minute ways not perceptible to the length of time we are watching it.
There is no self so to speak.
When you approximate and say things like biological entity yes it can't be the self since it is generalization from what you don't know exactly what is going on or you must be muddled enough to buy into these simple explanations and the mind moves as a result.
Khandhas are enough to explain a sentient being. Khandhas are not definite or pointing to the core, pinpointing down, but enough to grasp what it is talked about. When you name yourself Jack its not who you are, but it is enough to get insulted or flattered if you identify yourself with that name.

It goes as simpel as changing clothes or washing yourself. You indentify with being dirty and need wash yourself to get rid of that identification.
There is a lot of things to cease before you reach the body origin cessation and what as a result increases panna/higher knowing.

You are using thinking mind to reach into conclusions instead of cessation of that said function. It leaves you open to manipulation.


I get disgusted by over what my mind has moved or subscribed to in the past and i get pissed off that i don't know more to know better.


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also when you go to sleep, your soul will be in that dream and upon waking up, you are not even getting into the body, you need gain assess to your biological body as more higher mind.
You can make yourself as much alert you can but you need cease the blocks what block you to get body originated awareness.

and if can't understand the sakkaya ditthi fetter, then use sensual pleasure fetter you clearly see its physical nature to get a scope or lever what to expect from the attainments.