Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:07 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:05 am
Sotapanna still thinks in terms of I and you. Even Buddha use it as a convention.
Possibly... when speaking in conventions (such as when speaking to children or to grandmothers) but not when explaining Dhamma.
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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by SarathW » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:11 am

Could you write that phrase without you please?
I create a post in the line with this and ven .Dhammanado mentioned that in Eglish we can't write like that.
I can't locate the post.
Thanks.
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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by SarathW » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:16 am

I found it.
Translation error in MN10.

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:21 am

This appears to be a basic or low level practise, where the word "pajānāti" is used; which is not even " sampajāna" (saṃ + pajāna). "Sampajāna" is "thorough" (saṃ) "pajānāti" (pajāna) rather than mere ordinary "pajānāti". I imagine a sotappana has lots of "sampajāna".
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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:09 am

Someone seriously needs to learn how to quote properly on DW. Repeated mistakes regarding quotations, deliberate or otherwise, won't do any good.


The following "quotation" is wrong:
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:56 am
Jerafreyr wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:44 pm
Breaking the supports that hold up the roof of an illusory self is what causes karma to no longer stick. Once you experience the moment when you are free from self you receive the assurance of the eightfold path. You may fall back into patterns of creating karma but they will mostly be good. At this point you are incapable of regressing into lower paths and [you] are destined to be called an awakened one.
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Yes it is a :goodpost:
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  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
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  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by sunnat » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:02 am

The instructions are progressive. From monks (established in silas) Go sit. Crosslegged (stable posture, can fall asleep and not fall over). Upright (not intentionally moving) to focus on the area around the mouth with the right mindset (ardent, unwavering, equanimous) then on to. Body in body. I am this I am that I am neither this nor that. Then on to a realisation that this is body (not this is my body) with bare awareness, just awareness and on to... Etc for all kayanupassana, vedana, citta and dhamma. To be experienced

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:13 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:09 am
Someone seriously needs to learn how to quote properly on DW. Repeated mistakes regarding quotations, deliberate or otherwise, won't do any good.

The following "quotation" is wrong:
The above appears to be an example of taking "rules personally". Keep in mind fetters to be cut for stream-entry:

1. Identity-view

2. Clinging to rules

3. Doubt or confusion about the path. :spy:
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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by Disciple » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:43 am

How difficult is it to attain stream entry?

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by cappuccino » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:00 pm

DooDoot wrote:
SarathW wrote:Sotapanna still thinks in terms of I and you. Even Buddha use it as a convention.
Possibly... when speaking in conventions (such as when speaking to children or to grandmothers) but not when explaining Dhamma.
there is no need to speak differently

nor a way to speak differently

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by 2600htz » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:35 pm

Hello:

A Sotapanna is free from states of woe because he cannot longer commit the six major wrongdoings, but mainly because of being free of false beliefs (niyata micca ditthi). Most people are not going to kill an arahant or their mother in the next couple of rebirths, things a sotapanna cannot longer do any more, but false beliefs are much more common and widely spread.

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Re: Why does Sotappana assure no lower life?

Post by Aloka » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:43 pm

.

Ajahn Amaro talks about Sotapanna level here:






:anjali:

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