Jellyfish and Buddha

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Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by alfa » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:59 am

:namaste:

The Japanese jellyfish does not die. In fact, it reverse ages. No aging, no death. Doesn't this contradict a basic principle of Buddhism - that all things are subject to aging, death, etc. :anjali:

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Srilankaputra » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:31 am

But they are not immortal. They are still subject to injury and accident.

I think they are also subject to constant deterioration. That's why they also have to eat.

As for growing old. Supposedly the devas don't grow old like we do. But their life span comes to an end. But that is a article of faith.
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by chownah » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:15 am

Do you mean if they get eaten they do not die?....
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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by SarathW » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:27 am

alfa wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:59 am
:namaste:

The Japanese jellyfish does not die. In fact, it reverse ages. No aging, no death. Doesn't this contradict a basic principle of Buddhism - that all things are subject to aging, death, etc. :anjali:
According to Buddhist teaching, this Samsara never ends unless you attain Nibbana.
If all thing are subject to death why doesn't Samsara end too?
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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Dan74-MkII » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:01 am

I think the jellyfish weren't really the Buddha's target audience.

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:38 am

Dan74-MkII wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:01 am
I think the jellyfish weren't really the Buddha's target audience.
:rofl: :clap:

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Kim OHara » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:46 am

Srilankaputra wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:31 am
But they are not immortal. They are still subject to injury and accident.

I think they are also subject to constant deterioration.
Yes. :thumbsup:
Here's the science, for anyone interested: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/are-j ... -immortal/

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by binocular » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:09 am

Srilankaputra wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:31 am
But they are not immortal. They are still subject to injury and accident.
I think they are also subject to constant deterioration. That's why they also have to eat.
As for growing old. Supposedly the devas don't grow old like we do. But their life span comes to an end. But that is a article of faith.
Like Tolkien's elves, then.
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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by binocular » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:13 am

Dan74-MkII wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:01 am
I think the jellyfish weren't really the Buddha's target audience.
There’s a little animal called the sea squirt. It’s not very big, and its most complex organs are its brain and its digestive system. After it’s born, it moves around in the ocean and finds a spot that it likes, where it senses that the food will be good. Then it stays there for the rest of its life. And one of the first things it does after it’s found its spot is to digest its brain, so it’s just left with a digestive system, basically to show who’s in charge.

This is true not just for sea squirts. /.../

Thanissaro Bhikkhu: Train your hunger; https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/Medit ... n0046.html
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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Srilankaputra » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:10 pm

binocular wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:09 am
Srilankaputra wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:31 am
But they are not immortal. They are still subject to injury and accident.
I think they are also subject to constant deterioration. That's why they also have to eat.
As for growing old. Supposedly the devas don't grow old like we do. But their life span comes to an end. But that is a article of faith.
Like Tolkien's elves, then.
It's funny that you should mention Tolkien. I have been listening to an audio book to improv me eenglish. There is a lot of wisdom in that book I deem. Especially the unwholesome effect of the ring on the bearer. Seems to me an apt simile of the effect of upadana khandhas on us.
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm

.

May they outlast that Big so-and-so.



That said:
http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/07/are- ... -immortal/



btw, cross-breeding an animal with "immortality" would just mean immoral-suffering.
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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by Ceisiwr » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:09 pm

They are biologically immortal. They aren’t completely immortal. They can still be injured and die.

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by alfa » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:42 pm

Thanks, friends. My point is, at least theoretically they r immortal. So the idea that everything dies is wrong. If the Buddha was wrong about this, maybe he was wrong about everything. :anjali:

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by cappuccino » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:57 pm

Once, monks, there was a teacher named Araka, a sectarian leader who was free of passion for sensual pleasures. He had many hundreds of students and he taught them the Dhamma in this way: 'Next to nothing, brahmans, is the life of human beings — limited, trifling, of much stress & many despairs. One should touch this like a sage, do what is skillful, follow the holy life. For one who is born there is no freedom from death.

Now at that time, monks, the human life span was 60,000 years

Yet even though people were so long-lived, long-lasting, with so few afflictions, that teacher Araka taught the Dhamma to his disciples in this way: 'Next to nothing, brahmans, is the life of human beings — limited, trifling, of much stress & many despairs.

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Re: Jellyfish and Buddha

Post by dharmacorps » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:14 pm

The science seems to indicate simply jellyfish don't die from aging alone. They are not immortal, their life cycle just doesn't include specific kinds of death due to aging in the way other animals might. I think you'll have to keep looking to find a biological entity whose existence refutes the Buddha's teachings.

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