Theravada is...

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Theravada is...?

religion(blind faith)
1
5%
yoga(samatha and vipassana practices)
2
9%
religion that uses yoga as a tool
3
14%
yoga that uses religion as a tool
0
No votes
other
16
73%
 
Total votes: 22

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Theravada is...?

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I don't really know what you mean by yoga. In the West most folks know yoga as a physical exercise class at a gym.

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JamesTheGiant wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:07 am
I don't really know what you mean by yoga. In the West most folks know yoga as a physical exercise class at a gym.
it is written in brackets

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If you accept post-mortem kamma and rebirth then Theravada is a religion. If you are more secular in your approach then no, it isn’t a religion unless you class it as such due to faith in Nibbana.
“For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.” MN 140

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Isn't the selection over simplified ?

Wiki :

The name Theravāda comes from the ancestral Sthāvirīya, one of the early Buddhist schools, from which the Theravadins claim descent. The Sthavira nikāya arose during the first schism in the Buddhist sangha, due to their desire to tighten monastic discipline by adding new Vinaya rules, against the wishes of the majority Mahāsāṃghika group who disagreed with this. According to its own accounts, the Theravāda school is fundamentally derived from the Vibhajjavāda "doctrine of analysis" grouping, which was a division of the Sthāvirīya.

According to Damien Keown, there is no historical evidence that the Theravāda school arose until around two centuries after the Great Schism which occurred at the Third Council.Theravadin accounts of its own origins mention that it received the teachings that were agreed upon during the putative Third Buddhist council under the patronage of the Indian Emperor Ashoka around 250 BCE. These teachings were known as the Vibhajjavāda .
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I don't know of any tradition of yoga in the Theravada. I also don't think religion means blind faith especially in reference to Buddhism...

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None of the above.

Buddhism is a theory and practice for the purpose of ending suffering permanently.

Faith is required whenever you trust someone who has more knowledge than you in a specific area, whether a doctor, a real estate agent, or a lawyer. Of course some people use that to their advantage to exploit the ignorant.

Buddhism is not Blind Faith, it's verifiable faith, just like a doctor's practice can be verified in this life if he makes you sicker or healthier. Blind Faith cannot be verified in this life by the individual.

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Blind faith is a poor term, since by faith we see
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budo wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:39 pm
None of the above.

Buddhism is a theory and practice for the purpose of ending suffering permanently.

Faith is required whenever you trust someone who has more knowledge than you in a specific area, whether a doctor, a real estate agent, or a lawyer. Of course some people use that to their advantage to exploit the ignorant.

Buddhism is not Blind Faith, it's verifiable faith, just like a doctor's practice can be verified in this life if he makes you sicker or healthier. Blind Faith cannot be verified in this life by the individual.

You don’t know if Nibbana is true or not. You have faith that it is possible.
“For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.” MN 140

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clw_uk wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:55 pm
budo wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:39 pm
None of the above.

Buddhism is a theory and practice for the purpose of ending suffering permanently.

Faith is required whenever you trust someone who has more knowledge than you in a specific area, whether a doctor, a real estate agent, or a lawyer. Of course some people use that to their advantage to exploit the ignorant.

Buddhism is not Blind Faith, it's verifiable faith, just like a doctor's practice can be verified in this life if he makes you sicker or healthier. Blind Faith cannot be verified in this life by the individual.

You don’t know if Nibbana is true or not. You have faith that it is possible.
Sure but the eightfold path has benefits here and now. I guess you could follow Abrahamic religion's instructions and murder your own children for acting poorly, and verify how that makes you feel as well.

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Theravada is essentially a library. It is a massive collection of ideas built around the Pali suttas. From it, a person can do any number of things. They can become a scholar. They can become a devotee. They can become a 'yogi'. They can become a guru. They can become a fabulous internet Buddhist. The list is endless. To give Theravada the title of a religion or a tradition or a school grants it the status of a monolithic arrangement which is simply not the case, was never the case, was never suppose to the be the case. Schools become established when people don't like what a thing is, so they go off and start doing it differently, leaving then two things instead of just one. It isn't something that anyone should want.

Theravada is the result of time, the accumulation of temporal distance and ideas from when the Dhamma was discovered and now. The goal should be to use this accumulation to transcend the accumulation, not become part of it. We should find within the cluster of "Theravada" that which will take us straight through it to what the Buddha was describing.

There is no getting rid of it. No reason to get rid of it. No reason to make Theravada better. No reason to get rid of Mahayana. All we should do is keep access to the suttas available. Make sure people know that what is in those words is most important. Not the words themselves, but how and where those words apply to practitioner in their experience. Honestly, it doesn't matter how much nonsense is going on in "Buddhism" - if Theravada keeps it simple in spite of all those inevitable complications, in spite of all the inevitable accumulation, that gives people the best opportunity to discover the Dhamma.

We should protect and nurture Theravada for the sake of Dhamma, not for the sake of Theravada.

/end rant :soap:

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Theravāda is the most ancient branch of extant Buddhism today
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SDC wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:59 pm
Excellent definitive post!
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pitakele wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:20 pm
SDC wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:59 pm
Excellent definitive post!
Thank you!!

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SDC wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:59 pm
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/end rant :soap:
If a lion could rant, it would sound like that!

Thank you . :anjali:

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