Wat Dhammakaya

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by jameswang » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:53 am

Kumara wrote:
jameswang wrote:Fascinating subject! With all the wealth they are harvesting from followers, what do you all thing they are trying to achieve?
Want to join the group and find out?
Err... I'll pass. Thanks for the offer. :-)

Anyway, it looks like a religious cult with commercial elements: paying for gain in the next life. But maybe the real worry is its political element.

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Post by lyndon taylor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:26 am

The pope is offering indulgences for following his speech on twitter, does that make catholicism a cult, seems one of the main reasons these folk are being called a cult is because some of their beliefs and meditation practices differ from "standard" Therevada" this same logic would instantly label Mahayana, and even all other religions a cult. Do people coming out of Dhammakaya label it a cult, or is it people that have never attended a dhammakaya temple calling it a cult, its quite one thing to disagree with an order, even label it heretical, but calling it a cult needs some serious evidence, and I've heard a lot of stories about actual cults, and I'm not hearing those same stories here, not to say it isn't a cult, I'm just not hearing enough evidence.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:07 pm

lyndon taylor wrote: I'm just not hearing enough evidence.
For a substantial donation, they offer a guided trip to the Crystal Palace in the heaven where Steve Jobs is reincarnated as a mid-level angel


http://www.dmc.tv/pages/en/Where-is-Ste ... art-1.html

http://asiancorrespondent.com/87995/tha ... teve-jobs/

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Post by lyndon taylor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:55 pm

An ex friend of mine, very poor friend, not entirely honest claimed on facebook he scored Ecstasy for Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs provided the cocaine, somehow I don't think this Jobs guy is an angel, his business practices certainly involved breaking the 2nd and 5th precepts IMHO
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by dagon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:42 pm

interesting article offered without additional comments
http://blog.scientologyrecovery.com/how ... ys-itself/

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:39 pm

dagon wrote:interesting article offered without additional comments
http://blog.scientologyrecovery.com/how ... ys-itself/
Very interesting article. Thank you Paul.

One of the factors that the article mentions is violence and abuse. For those who believe that there is no abuse on Dhammakaya, just watch how they do a kind of initiation ceremony of returning a child from the death to be reborn on the superior realm of DMC:

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Post by jameswang » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:02 am

lyndon taylor wrote:Do people coming out of Dhammakaya label it a cult, or is it people that have never attended a dhammakaya temple calling it a cult, its quite one thing to disagree with an order, even label it heretical, but calling it a cult needs some serious evidence, and I've heard a lot of stories about actual cults, and I'm not hearing those same stories here, not to say it isn't a cult, I'm just not hearing enough evidence.
Actually, I do know someone who left (by a enormous dose of good kamma). She then read up a lot about cults and is certain that Dhammakaya is one. When I asked if I can share the info with others, she's quite concern. I asked, "What's the worse that can happen?" She said, "Have you met fanatics?" OK.... So, I'm sorry I can't tell you more.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by ancientbuddhism » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:28 pm

New Buddhist Movements In Thailand: Towards an Understanding of Wat Phra Dhammakāya and Santi Asoke, by Rory Mackenzie
  • NEW BUDDHIST MOVEMENTS IN THAILAND

    This book examines two new Buddhist movements in Thailand, namely the Wat Phra Dhammakāya and Santi Asoke. These movements represent two distinctive trends within contemporary Buddhism in Thailand. Vastly different in belief and practice, they emerged in Thailand in the 1970s at a time of political uncertainty, social change and increasing dissatisfaction with the Thai Saṅgha and its leadership.

    Rory Mackenzie explains why these movements have come into being, what they have reacted against and what they offer to their members. The Wat Phra Dhammakāya tradition views itself as a large, modern movement structured for growth, convenience and efficiency. It has spread to eleven different countries and Westerners are increasingly being attracted to the movement through the practice of Dhammakāya meditation. The author argues that there is some justification in describing this highly progressive movement as fundamentalist and millenarian due to their strong focus on meditation, and the belief that some members have in their leader a saviour figure. Santi Asoke members view the communities in which they live as places where they experience justice and support for living morally upright lives. They also view their communities as a locus for their liberation from suffering. The author suggests that Santi Asoke may best be described as an ascetic/prophetic, utopian movement with legalistic tendencies.

    This book should appeal to those interested in Buddhism’s confrontation with modernity, and its responses to evolving social issues in Thailand, as well as to those interested in new religions in the broader context of religious studies.

    Rory Mackenzie teaches Buddhism and Practical Theology at the International Christian College, Glasgow. He has lived in Thailand for eleven years, is involved in the Thai community in Edinburgh and makes regular visits back to Thailand.
A .pdf can be found in the Indigenous Buddhism section in the Library.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Kamran » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:27 am

I see lots of new books at the above Linked Library. Thanks!
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Kumara » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:04 am

ancientbuddhism wrote:New Buddhist Movements In Thailand: Towards an Understanding of Wat Phra Dhammakāya and Santi Asoke, by Rory Mackenzie
That's interesting. A related term "New Religious Movement" is now very much preferred by Scientology as an alternative word for "cult".

A much shorter work on the subject by Rory Mackenzie is found here: http://www.buddhismaustralia.org/Black% ... makaya.htm It provides a (scary) idea of the Dhammakaya movement.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:53 am

The large investigation about Dhammakaya and other corrupt monks on 2bkk.com has been ordered to be deleted by the authorities. :weep:

http://2bangkok.com/forum/showthread.ph ... tion/page5

Dhammakaya is extremely powerful. Very well positioned inside some factions of the Thai government, the police, the army, businessmen, and supported by very powerful people like the exiled PM Thaksin Shinawatra.

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Post by Sokehi » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:28 am

this is dangerous and certainly not for the well being of many
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Kumara » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:36 am

Kumara wrote:Essentially, its becoming the Thai/Buddhist equivalent of Scientology.
Correction: A closer equivalent is Unification Church or Unificationism, a new religious movement founded in South Korea by Sun Myung Moon. (It's also known as The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, also known as the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification.)

It's not so strong now, as many people have left and began to expose it, notably Steven Hassan who became a counselor specialized in cults. If you like to help someone who's in a cult, consider getting his book: Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs (Published 2012) http://freedomofmind.com/Media/bookFreedom.php
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by helparcfun » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:57 pm

Kumara wrote: If you like to help someone who's in a cult, consider getting his book: Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs (Published 2012) http://freedomofmind.com/Media/bookFreedom.php
Problem for me is that it is most likely only available in the English language. I would need one in Thai language!

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