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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:10 pm

Monks' top council protects Dhammachayo

Phra Dhammachayo, abbot of Wat Phra Dhammakaya, is immune from past complaints of embezzlement, according to a resolution of the Sangha Supreme Council on Wednesday.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:21 am

The Sangha Council yesterday didn’t consider whether Phra Dhammachayo, the controversial abbot of the Dhammakaya Temple in Pathum Thani, should be defrocked.
The meeting saw that the charges of embezzlement and land ownershipillegitimate land ownership had already ended at the court of first instance without any appeal.
The council and the National Buddhism Office had been called on by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) to act against the abbot as suggested in a letter from the late supreme patriarch.
The DSI would summon the abbot and other monks for questioning starting early next month regarding the donations from embezzlement suspect Supachai Srisupa-aksorn, then chairman of the Khlong Chan Credit Union, to the bank accounts of the abbot, his temple and other monks.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by jameswang » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:40 am

slimdabuddhist wrote:Hi, and namasakan to all the monks. I'd like to share and confirm if this information is true. My parents are very devoted followers of the dmc movement and I used to be too, but now I have refused to go to temple with them and follow their idiculou To get to the main point, as a following of the arrest of the abbot of dmc, my mom came to me with a bizarre and ridiculous story. She claimed that the temple of wat dhammakaya was under attack by muslims and that the arrest of dhammajayo were muslims trying to destroy the faith of buddhism in thailand. (Sound familiar in the U.S.?) Basically she said if wat dhammakaya fell all the other small temples in Thailand under its "protection" would fall to Islam and Buddhism in Thailand would fall. Now I find this to be a very ridiculous and fearmongering technique to scapegoat another religion because the abbot was caught in the act of wrong doing. Basically I wanted to post on here and confirm if what they are claiming right now is true as in are they spreading this lie to gulliable followers as an excuse for dhammajayos crimes?
I tell you, slimdabuddhist. It's typical of cults to react like this. Whatever that is against them the clever leader will deflect it and even use it to his advantage, to strengthen his agenda. It doesn't matter how ridiculous it is. So long as it works.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by samseva » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:07 am

Paiboon Nititawan, ex-chairman of the defunct National Reform Council committee on religious affairs, is pursuing legal action against the Sangha Supreme Council (SSC) and the National Office of Buddhism...

Please credit and share this article with others using this link:http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general ... ism-bodies.

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Paiboon leads legal charge against Buddhism bodies - Bangkok Post

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:18 pm

Thai nationalism and the rise of Buddhist extremism

As a campaign to make Buddhism the state religion of Thailand ramps up, concerns about radicalism have come to the fore, along with concern over how this renewed religiosity could be used in an already divided country

“Making Buddhism a national religion forms part of an attempt to return to imagined earlier certainties and unities, and to reify and reinforce the existence of a ‘Thai-ness’ that now seems increasingly elusive.”

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:35 am

Dhammakaya monks break through military barricade

A 15-minute tussle broke out when Dhammakaya monks broke through the military line into the compound of the National Office of Buddhism Monday at the Buddha Monthon park afternoon.

Some 50 troops failed to prevent the monks and laymen followers from breaking their line into the compound.

During the tussle, a monk was seen head-locking a troop and pulling him out of the way.

The monks wanted to rally inside the compound of the National Office of Buddhism to demand the office to speed up the process of the appointment of the new supreme patriarch. The monks accused the office of dragging its feet over the appointment.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:51 am

This afternoon I have drived through Puthamonton Road (while returning from a 4-day meditation retreat with Ajahn Brahm at Sampran Riverside) and the traffic jam they had provoked was huge!

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Monks gather to demand Supreme Patriarch endorsement.
Several thousands of monks gather at Phutthamonthon amid tight security to demand Supreme Patriarch endorsement and constitutional provision that Buddhism become national religion.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general ... ndorsement

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:56 pm

Red Shirt leader defending Dhammachayo and the Sangha Council.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... the-temple

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Anagarika » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:28 am

I'm seeing some guys in robes...not sure if they're acting like monks.

The Buddha did counsel kings and rulers of various types, but there's never been a suggestion that he lead a riot, or took a political position. It seems he always took a Dhammic position, and suggested that rulers implement the Dhamma in their governance.

Whatever decisions the Thai government makes, I hope it cools down these riotous monks, and provides a foundation for some mediated result, consistent with Dhammic principles. I also hope that the next Supreme Patriarch is a Bhikkhu ( or Bhikkhuni, one day) that has a spotless reputation, and is a leader that all of Thailand and Theravada can be proud of.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:49 am

suriyopama wrote:Red Shirt leader defending Dhammachayo and the Sangha Council.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... the-temple
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by dagon » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:35 am

gavesako wrote:
suriyopama wrote:Red Shirt leader defending Dhammachayo and the Sangha Council.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... the-temple
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That is the work of a genius - the panda most of all.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by gavesako » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:26 am

In Thailand only:

Retired General’s Immodest Proposal Pits Prostitutes, Coyotes Against Monk Mob

An aristocrat and retired army major general today suggested the junta should deal with protesting monks by sending hired coyote girls, prostitutes, female masseuses and female soldiers to disperse any future protests instead of male troops.

Coming a day after thousands of monks clashed with soldiers briefly at a grand Buddhist Park west of Bangkok, retired Maj. Gen. HSH Prince Chulcherm Yugala weighed in on Facebook early Tuesday morning with his suggestion, saying that physical contact with women would make the monks impure and cost them their celibate status.

Chulcherm, 69, said deploying female forces to come into physical contact with the monks was a practical solution: It would serve to get the monks disrobed, while alleged “fake” monks who did not surrender their robes could then be arrested.

Chulcherm, who once served as president of Rajvithi Football Club, laid it out thusly:

“When the mob of monks and fake monks arrives, we will have women soldiers, women police, standing in the front row to spearhead the clash with the monks and nuns, while male soldiers will be behind. If there aren’t enough women soldiers or police, then force or ask (for the country, army and the National Council for Peace and Order), for the cooperation of hired masseuses, be it traditional or modern, red-light women, coyotes and [female] market vendors for reinforcement,” he wrote.

If they are real monks, he said, officers can proceed to defrock them, as they have become tainted through the direct contact.

Fifteen hours after the post was made, it had gathered over 2,500 Likes and 130 comments, mostly in support of Chulcherm’s proposal.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:23 pm

DSI finds supreme patriarch nominee's Benz illegal.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general ... nz-illegal

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by bazzaman » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:39 pm

gavesako wrote:In Thailand only:

Retired General’s Immodest Proposal Pits Prostitutes, Coyotes Against Monk Mob

... retired Maj. Gen. HSH Prince Chulcherm Yugala weighed in on Facebook early Tuesday morning with his suggestion, saying that physical contact with women would make the monks impure and cost them their celibate status.
:group:
Bhante, is this general implying that mere physical contact with womem is a parajika offense? If so, is he correct? Or, if he is mistaken, is this a common misconception in Thai society?

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:17 am

Rent-a-monk for a mob. :thinking:
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Picture above: Phra Metheethammacharn, secretary-general of the Buddhism Protection Centre of Thailand, organizer of the event and the demands to the government.

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Post by suriyopama » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:25 am

The monk known as Chaokun Berlin (they call him Berlin because he is in Germany) has declared that if the Dhammakaya Supreme Patriach is not nominated and the government does not comply with all their other demands, Thailand will burn. :jawdrop:
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Déjà vu, déjà vu! Did someone said something like that in 2010?
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Post by suriyopama » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:33 am

The saffron-robed rankus protest: A day which will live in infamy

In Thailand until recently, monks have been the most revered social group. More than 90 per cent of Thais are Buddhist, and temples, now more than 20,000 in number, have traditionally been the centre of their life, the ultimate source of their inspiration, a well of faith that never runs dry and one that sustains and restores their faith in the fundamental goodness of things. People will go that extra mile when it comes to giving alms, monetary and other contributions to build more temples, meditation halls and other sacred facilities. People defer to monks without hesitation, never questioning. They believe.

That absolute deference was shattered last Monday a date, to borrow Franklin D Roosevelt's words, it was the day which will live in infamy for Buddhist. The images of men in saffron robes pushing, shoveling, shouting, pulling army vehicles, breaking the barricades, issuing threats, telling lies, went against every grain of Buddha's teaching and written rules and precepts of Buddhism. The behavior of those few hundreds too many, destroyed the faith of many Thais in this social unit, and regrettably in Buddhism as a whole.

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Post by samseva » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:40 am

suriyopama wrote:
The saffron-robed rankus protest: A day which will live in infamy

In Thailand until recently, monks have been the most revered social group. More than 90 per cent of Thais are Buddhist, and temples, now more than 20,000 in number, have traditionally been the centre of their life, the ultimate source of their inspiration, a well of faith that never runs dry and one that sustains and restores their faith in the fundamental goodness of things. People will go that extra mile when it comes to giving alms, monetary and other contributions to build more temples, meditation halls and other sacred facilities. People defer to monks without hesitation, never questioning. They believe.

That absolute deference was shattered last Monday a date, to borrow Franklin D Roosevelt's words, it was the day which will live in infamy for Buddhist. The images of men in saffron robes pushing, shoveling, shouting, pulling army vehicles, breaking the barricades, issuing threats, telling lies, went against every grain of Buddha's teaching and written rules and precepts of Buddhism. The behavior of those few hundreds too many, destroyed the faith of many Thais in this social unit, and regrettably in Buddhism as a whole.

[...]
Complete article:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion ... 79550.html
The article reads like a fiction novel, steeped in literary devices, exaggeration being the most prominent. I'm pretty sure it is a lot less worse than how the author is depicting the situation? The article sounds more alarmist and melodramatic than anything else.

A better article, in far less words (and far more effective), would have been:

The monks that we have recently witnessed breaking the military barricades were mostly from the Dhammakāya sect, which distorts the Buddha's teachings and has been accumulating very large amounts of donations, while falsely promising good rebirths for those who are monetarily generous. Some people are confusing these false monks as monks who actually know and follow the Buddha's teachings. In fact, the abbot of Wat Dhammakāya, Phra Dhammachayo, was asked to be defrocked by the late supreme patriarch Somdet Phra Nyanasamvara in 1999.

Please do not make this mistake of confusing Dhammakāya for real Buddhism and as real monks; see the Dhammakāya sect for what it really is. We need to stop supporting this sect of false monks accumulating wealth and distorting Buddhist teachings.

End of article.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by suriyopama » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:22 am

I agree with that impression, Samseva. Unfortunately, most people here in Thailand rely on what they see on the media; and what they have been watching for the last years is mostly corruption and sex scandals. That brings them to think in exactly the same way as you are describing the article: exaggerated and melodramatic. It is sad, but the article is actually depicting the point of view of many people (those who are not in contact with good monks or forest monasteries).

Furthermore, there are literally hundreds of monks on Facebook, from teenagers to high rank monks, in whose public profiles you can clearly see their affiliation or alignment with Dhammakaya, behaviors like their avidity for technology gadgets or pretty make-up girls&boys selfies and, lately, their support for the demonstrations at Puthamonton. That adds more fuel to reaffirm the vision that the media is portraying. Hence the voice of doom described at the article.

Of course, that will never change the trust and faith on the sangha of those who really know the sangha, but it’s shaping the perception towards Buddhism of many people, as the article is saying.

As you say, it would be very nice if the article were educating to differentiate between cults like Dhammakaya and real Buddhism :smile:

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by samseva » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:57 am

suriyopama wrote:As you say, it would be very nice if the article were educating to differentiate between cults like Dhammakaya and real Buddhism :smile:
Yes and this is my main point. I think only that would solve half the problem and reduce so many of the supporters the Dhammakaya sect are getting. Might as well add the distinction of actual monks and teenagers/young adults who are only ordained for short-term ordinations and don't part ways with their cellphones and other forms of entertainment.

Education (or understanding/wisdom) crushes fear and the other defilements! :smile:

I watched a short documentary a few days ago and it mentioned a hotline had been opened in Thailand for the population to report monks misbehaving. Do you know how this is going? I created a thread, your thoughts would be welcome.

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