Theravada against mathematics

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Re: It does not work out mathematically

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I am not talking here about the Buddha, but about the Pali school Abhidhamma.
Oh, well, I don't make use of the Abhidhamma. I tend to stick to the Suttas. Carry on :coffee:
“Bhikkhus, whatever is not yours, abandon it. When you have abandoned it, that will lead to your welfare and happiness. ” SN 35:101

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Germann wrote:
cappuccino wrote:
Germann wrote: because reaching Nibbana is a sequence of combinations of dhammas.
wrong
And what is real except the dhammas and their combinations?
the faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom
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cappuccino wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:13 pm
Germann wrote:
cappuccino wrote:

wrong
And what is real except the dhammas and their combinations?
the faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom
Reality is paramattha dhammas, according to the Pali Abhidhamma. Chitta, Chetasika, Rupa, Nibbana.

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forget Abhidhamma
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Re: Theravada against mathematics

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cappuccino wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:18 pm
forget Abhidhamma
The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

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Germann wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:22 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:18 pm
forget Abhidhamma
The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.
Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.
“Bhikkhus, whatever is not yours, abandon it. When you have abandoned it, that will lead to your welfare and happiness. ” SN 35:101

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Germann wrote: Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.
there is the teaching of the Buddha
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clw_uk wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:23 pm
Germann wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:22 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:18 pm
forget Abhidhamma
The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.
Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.
Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you acknowledge this Mahayana doctrine. Can this be called a renunciation of the Mahayana doctrine if it is a repetition of it with a renunciation of the Pali tradition?
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Germann wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:28 pm
clw_uk wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:23 pm
Germann wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:22 pm

The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.
Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.
You want to repeat is different from the Pali Abhidhamma interpretation of the Mahayana, calling it a rejection of the doctrines of the Mahayana?

What?
“Bhikkhus, whatever is not yours, abandon it. When you have abandoned it, that will lead to your welfare and happiness. ” SN 35:101

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clw_uk wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:28 pm
What?
Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you acknowledge this Mahayana doctrine. Can this be called a renunciation of the Mahayana doctrine if it is a repetition of it with a renunciation of the Pali tradition?

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Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you will take the position of Mahayana.
As the Mahayana texts are later I find it more plausible that they went off in different directions as they came under the sway of later ideas. As for the total denial of satta, this would seem to be wrong view in my eyes. What is denied is that a permanent being can be found within the world. Satta is a construct, as are the other dhammas.

But this is getting off topic.
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clw_uk wrote: What is denied is that a permanent being can be found within the world.
yes with emphasis on permanent

rather we're inconstant, impermanent
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Re: Theravada against mathematics

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clw_uk wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:41 pm

As the Mahayana texts are later I find it more plausible that they went off in different directions as they came under the sway of later ideas. A
https://www.academia.edu/5212434/The_Ea ... e_in_India
The first texts in the literary Pali (the language that is known from the Pali Canon) appeared after the life of Nagarjuna.
Alternative opinions are refuted by the lack of epigraphy.

Accordingly, the whole Pali philosophy arose later than the philosophy of Nagarjuna.
Nagarjuna is closer in time to the record of Agamas and Suttas.

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Re: Theravada against mathematics

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Germann
https://www.academia.edu/5212434/The_Ea ... e_in_India

The first texts in the literary Pali (the language that is known from the Pali Canon) appeared after the life of Nagarjuna.
Alternative opinions are refuted by the lack of epigraphy.

Accordingly, the whole Pali philosophy arose later than the philosophy of Nagarjuna.
Nagarjuna is closer in time to the record of Agamas and Suttas.

The suttas themselves are usually dated before the Mahayana sutras. Nagarjuna refers to the suttas himself.
“Bhikkhus, whatever is not yours, abandon it. When you have abandoned it, that will lead to your welfare and happiness. ” SN 35:101

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