Why right view comes first

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Why right view comes first

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Thought i'd share this sutta.
“Bhikkhus, suppose a spike of rice or a spike of barley were rightly directed and were pressed upon by the hand or the foot. That it could pierce the hand or the foot and draw blood: this is possible. For what reason? Because the spike is rightly directed. So too, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu with a rightly directed view, with a rightly directed development of the path, could pierce ignorance, arouse true knowledge, and realize Nibbāna: this is possible. For what reason? Because his view is rightly directed.

“And how does a bhikkhu do so? Here, bhikkhus, a bhikkhu develops right view … right concentration, which is based upon seclusion, dispassion, and cessation, maturing in release.

“It is in this way, bhikkhus, that a bhikkhu with a rightly directed view, with a rightly directed development of the path, pierces ignorance, arouses true knowledge, and realizes Nibbāna.”

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Those suttas from SN, while dhammic in general, cannot be taken as "something Buddha said about THIS particular thing", because all of them belong to "series of repetitions", and it is impossible to trace original. All these texts (there are hundreds of them) have interchangeable similes, explanations, items... like textual LEGO )
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right view is karma & rebirth
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view->thoughts->words->actions->livelihood->effort->attention->concentration
This is the eight-fold path which is samma or micca.

If one's vehicle directs towards a wrong direction,
all the driving capabilities of him will take the vehicle towards the wrong direction.
The more he accelerates, the more it travels in the wrong direction.
The more he drive well, the more it travels in the wrong direction.
The more he drive mindfully, the more it travels in the wrong direction.
The more he drive concentrated, the more it travels in the wrong direction.

Likewise, if one's view is wrong, all of his actions, energy and talents take him more and more towards the wrong direction.
The more he do, the worse it gets for him.
The more he become talented, the worse it gets for him.

Sometimes he will not be able to re-correct it for many lifetimes.

Therefore:
Direction first, Mindfulness second.
"Bhikkhus, whatever the Tathāgata speaks, _ all that is just so and NOT otherwise."
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Friends,

Is the right view really more important than:

mindfulness?
equanimity?
jhanas?
vipassana?
annica?
dukkha?
anatta?
nibbana?
Buddha?

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Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Is the right view really more important than:

Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb.
Yodhajiva Sutta
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cappuccino wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:47 pm
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Is the right view really more important than:

Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb.
Yodhajiva Sutta
Yeah!
I'm glad
and feel lucky,
my friend, to see you
write in full sentences, despite
being quoted partially and giving me the
answer not asked, elegantly backed by a sutta name, as usual.

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metta,
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Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:12 pm
cappuccino wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:47 pm
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Is the right view really more important than:

Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb.
Yodhajiva Sutta
Yeah!
I'm glad
and feel lucky,
my friend, to see you
write in full sentences, despite
being quoted partially and giving me the
answer not asked, elegantly backed by a sutta name, as usual.

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metta,
Was that a zen koan? :clap:
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Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:49 pm Friends,

Is the right view really more important than:

mindfulness?
equanimity?
jhanas?
vipassana?
annica?
dukkha?
anatta?
nibbana?
Buddha?

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Surely yes, because if you have a wrong view on all of those things they aren't going to be very useful to you are they?
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

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Rice / Barley is the N8P.....the path that allows one to transcend between samsara- Nibbana.
And, bhikkhus, what is Right View?
Insight-knowledge of dukkha, Insight-knowledge of the origin of dukkha, Insight-knowledge of the cessation of dukkha, Insight-knowledge of the path leading to the cessation of dukkha.
This, bhikkhus, is called Right View.
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"Right ".....is the way.
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I think right view comes first because all actions that do not produce suffering depend on it. However, arriving at right view seem to be a process of continuous refinement, akin to seeing that wrong answers are the results of wrong questions, and wrong questions are the results of wrong answers.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Subhadda the wandering ascetic was staying at Kusinara when he heard that the Parinibbana of Gotama Buddha would take place that night. He had already put three questions which were troubling him to other religious leaders, but their answers did not satisfy him. He had not yet asked Gotama Buddha, and he felt that only the Enlightened One could answer his questions. He hurried to the Buddha, but Venerable Ananda tried to persuade him not to go any further. However, the Enlightened One overheard their conversation and consented to see Subhadda, who then asked the three questions:

Are there tracks in the sky?
Are there any Ariya bhikkhus (samanas) outside the Teaching of the Buddha?
Is there any conditioned thing (sankhara) that is permanent?
The Buddha replied in the negative to all the three questions.

Akase padam natthi samano natthi bahire
Sankhara sassata natthi natthi buddhanam injitam.


In the sky there is no track.
Outside there is no Saint.
There are no conditioned things that are eternal.
There is no instability in the Buddhas.

THERE ARE NO SAINTS OUTSIDE THE DHAMMA.
"Bhikkhus, whatever the Tathāgata speaks, _ all that is just so and NOT otherwise."
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Manopubbangama wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:20 pm
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:12 pm
cappuccino wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:47 pm


Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb.
Yodhajiva Sutta
Yeah!
I'm glad
and feel lucky,
my friend, to see you
write in full sentences, despite
being quoted partially and giving me the
answer not asked, elegantly backed by a sutta name, as usual.

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
metta,
Was that a zen koan? :clap:
No way, friend.
Yet you've rightly pointed that out, Thanks :smile:

Out of sheer slowness of my mind, augmented by unbelievable conciseness of the comment -- without even bothering adding quotation marks to a sutta quote--, I inadvertently begot a paradox.

I'm not that lucky after all; yet, I'm glad to have stumbled on that.

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ps: thanks much for the magnificent book on Ratana Sutta in the signature.
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thang wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:00 pm view->thoughts->words->actions->livelihood->effort->attention->concentration
This is the eight-fold path which is samma or micca.
....
....
....
Therefore:
Direction first, Mindfulness second.
Laurens wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:34 pm
Surely yes, because if you have a wrong view on all of those things they aren't going to be very useful to you are they?
equilibrium wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:17 pm ....
....
"Right ".....is the way.
Bundokji wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:24 pm I think right view comes first because all actions that do not produce suffering depend on it. However, arriving at right view seem to be a process of continuous refinement, akin to seeing that wrong answers are the results of wrong questions, and wrong questions are the results of wrong answers.



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One cannot even sees the right Buddha, if unaccompanied by the right view, imo.
'He who sees Dhamma, Vakkali, sees me"

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Why do you lay the foundation before building the house?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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