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canadianbuddhist
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Sperm Donation

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Hello

I am just wondering what the Buddhist Teachings have to say about donating sperm? Is donating sperm also dāna?

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Well, if it was Dana, it would've been Dana with unwholesome intent (ie. to create the Dana "product", a dude must engage in certain "actions" involving unwholesome visual, mental, physical, etc. aspects :tongue: ).

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canadianbuddhist wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Hello

I am just wondering what the Buddhist Teachings have to say about donating sperm? Is donating sperm also dāna?
It is very difficult to differentiate between good karma and Dana in my opinion.
Considering Santas post I would imagine it is dark and bright karma with dark and bright results.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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The buddha was not aware of such a thing.
He only knew when a male union with a female, when female is in season and when ganghaba is present, then a new life can be created. And what ganghaba really means still beat me........

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canadianbuddhist wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Is donating sperm also dāna?
It can be, though I doubt it would count as such if the semen were being donated merely for the purpose of impregnating someone. The Vinaya Piṭaka lists ten motives for masturbation on the part of males, of which three or four might be viewed as instances of dāna.
1. For the sake of health,
2. For the sake of pleasure,
3. For the sake of a medicine,
4. For the sake of a gift (to insects, says the Commentary ...)
5. for the sake of merit,
6. for the sake of a sacrifice,
7. for the sake of heaven,
8. for the sake of seed (to produce a child—a bhikkhu who gave semen to be used in artificial insemination would fit in this category),
9. for the sake of investigating (e.g., to diagnose one’s health),
10. for the sake of playfulness or fun.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0011.html
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If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
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Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:15 pm
canadianbuddhist wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Is donating sperm also dāna?
It can be, though I doubt it would count as such if the semen were being donated merely for the purpose of impregnating someone. The Vinaya Piṭaka lists ten motives for masturbation on the part of males, of which three or four might be viewed as instances of dāna.
1. For the sake of health,
2. For the sake of pleasure,
3. For the sake of a medicine,
4. For the sake of a gift (to insects, says the Commentary ...)
5. for the sake of merit,
6. for the sake of a sacrifice,
7. for the sake of heaven,
8. for the sake of seed (to produce a child—a bhikkhu who gave semen to be used in artificial insemination would fit in this category),
9. for the sake of investigating (e.g., to diagnose one’s health),
10. for the sake of playfulness or fun.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0011.html
7th, 5th point explain someone. cant understand the inner meaning?
Find a tree and practice jhana or dont regret later- Buddha
Something exist, dont exist, both exist and non exist, neither exist nor dont exist .. all these four possibilities are wrong- Nagarjuna
Find a dhamma companion or roam alone like rhinoceros in the wild- Buddha
If you are not happy even after following 8NP then you are doing it wrong- CL (confused layman)

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:15 pm
canadianbuddhist wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Is donating sperm also dāna?
It can be, though I doubt it would count as such if the semen were being donated merely for the purpose of impregnating someone. The Vinaya Piṭaka lists ten motives for masturbation on the part of males, of which three or four might be viewed as instances of dāna.
1. For the sake of health,
2. For the sake of pleasure,
3. For the sake of a medicine,
4. For the sake of a gift (to insects, says the Commentary ...)
5. for the sake of merit,
6. for the sake of a sacrifice,
7. for the sake of heaven,
8. for the sake of seed (to produce a child—a bhikkhu who gave semen to be used in artificial insemination would fit in this category),
9. for the sake of investigating (e.g., to diagnose one’s health),
10. for the sake of playfulness or fun.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0011.html
Most or almost all of these are an offense for bhikkhus, correct? Or all, if intentional? Also for samanera?

Can you also clarify what might apply to upāsaka laymen and anagārika 10 precept laymen?
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I think that sperm donation is bhava-tanha.
"If appeasement of desires is what is really blissful, 'desirelessness' as the appeasement of all desires would be the Supreme Bliss, and this in fact is what Nibbāna is." (Bhikkhu K. Ñāṇananda)

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AlexBrains92 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:26 pm
I think that sperm donation is bhava-tanha.
I suspect the same
“For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.” MN 140

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confusedlayman wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:59 am
Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:15 pm
canadianbuddhist wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm
Is donating sperm also dāna?
It can be, though I doubt it would count as such if the semen were being donated merely for the purpose of impregnating someone. The Vinaya Piṭaka lists ten motives for masturbation on the part of males, of which three or four might be viewed as instances of dāna.
1. For the sake of health,
2. For the sake of pleasure,
3. For the sake of a medicine,
4. For the sake of a gift (to insects, says the Commentary ...)
5. for the sake of merit,
6. for the sake of a sacrifice,
7. for the sake of heaven,
8. for the sake of seed (to produce a child—a bhikkhu who gave semen to be used in artificial insemination would fit in this category),
9. for the sake of investigating (e.g., to diagnose one’s health),
10. for the sake of playfulness or fun.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0011.html
7th, 5th point explain someone. cant understand the inner meaning?
I don't get it either - is it just that you can get deluded in that particular way, thinking there is some merit in it, or that it could lead to heaven?

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Ceisiwr wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:33 pm
AlexBrains92 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:26 pm
I think that sperm donation is bhava-tanha.
I suspect the same
Donation arises out of Dana. Sperms are ejected out from Kama Tanha ( desire for pleasure). Secondly Dana is two fold with first as damma Dana and the next is resources for living.
Agganna sutta makes it clear that gender was created by Kama Tanha and has been a reason for suffering.
Therefore I believe that sperm donation does not include material for discussion of niklesha.

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It's important to understand that the foci of taṇha (craving) are not the nature or origin of sufferng, and only tangeantly involved in cessation and practice leading to cessation of taṇha.

In the craving for a car, for example, the car is not the cause of suffering. Women, as another example, are not the cause of suffering. (Neither are men.) The fast- or slow- paced job is not the cause of suffering.

The cause of suffering is described in MN9 Sammādiṭṭha Sutta
https://suttacentral.net/mn9/en/sujato#36-38.2
And what is the origin of suffering? Katamo cāvuso, dukkhasamudayo?
It’s the craving that leads to future rebirth, mixed up with relishing and greed, looking for enjoyment in various different realms. That is, Yāyaṃ taṇhā ponobbhavikā nandīrāgasahagatā tatratatrābhinandinī, seyyathidaṃ—
craving for sensual pleasures, craving for continued existence, and craving to end existence. kāmataṇhā bhavataṇhā vibhavataṇhā—
This is called the origin of suffering. ayaṃ vuccatāvuso, dukkhasamudayo.
Sperm donation appears to involve craving for sensual pleasures, or craving for continued existence, or both. Desiring to perpetuate DNA may involve views depending on delusions about identity or self physicalisms. Whatever the view, it doesn't appear to be Right View, and appears to be expressions of moha delusion and lobha greed.

The path leading to the cessation of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path. Establishing Right View, and also refining and deepening understanding of Right View, is an essential part. This only ends at nibbana or maybe parinibbana, as far as I know.

However, understanding thoroughly the nature, causes, cessation, and practice leading to cessation of suffering took time for every bodhisatta, and certainly too for every disciple. So may each of us, and everyone, have the requisites for the spiritual life, and be diligent.
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MettaDevPrac wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:08 am
It's important to understand that the foci of taṇha (craving) are not the nature or origin of sufferng, and only tangeantly involved in cessation and practice leading to cessation of taṇha.

In the craving for a car, for example, the car is not the cause of suffering. Women, as another example, are not the cause of suffering. (Neither are men.) The fast- or slow- paced job is not the cause of suffering.

The cause of suffering is described in MN9 Sammādiṭṭha Sutta
https://suttacentral.net/mn9/en/sujato#36-38.2
And what is the origin of suffering? Katamo cāvuso, dukkhasamudayo?
It’s the craving that leads to future rebirth, mixed up with relishing and greed, looking for enjoyment in various different realms. That is, Yāyaṃ taṇhā ponobbhavikā nandīrāgasahagatā tatratatrābhinandinī, seyyathidaṃ—
craving for sensual pleasures, craving for continued existence, and craving to end existence. kāmataṇhā bhavataṇhā vibhavataṇhā—
This is called the origin of suffering. ayaṃ vuccatāvuso, dukkhasamudayo.
Sperm donation appears to involve craving for sensual pleasures, or craving for continued existence, or both. Desiring to perpetuate DNA may involve views depending on delusions about identity or self physicalisms. Whatever the view, it doesn't appear to be Right View, and appears to be expressions of moha delusion and lobha greed.

The path leading to the cessation of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path. Establishing Right View, and also refining and deepening understanding of Right View, is an essential part. This only ends at nibbana or maybe parinibbana, as far as I know.

However, understanding thoroughly the nature, causes, cessation, and practice leading to cessation of suffering took time for every bodhisatta, and certainly too for every disciple. So may each of us, and everyone, have the requisites for the spiritual life, and be diligent.
:goodpost:

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