Fair enough.AgarikaJ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:41 amIt is also well worth remembering that the whole extant canon is not a collection of the words of the Buddha, but a recollection by Ananda and others what SOME of them were, further potentially modified by issues of transmission.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:49 amPrimary that it wasn't conceived of until the Third Council, approximately three centuries after the Buddha's passing. There is more detail about its origins in The Great Abhidhamma Authenticity Debate if you're genuinely interested.
To me, that timespan alone makes it a Theravada teaching, in contrast to being the word of the Buddha, which is what I am really interested in... but as one of the "many Buddhists" referred to by DooDoot above, I "happily tolerate Abhidhamma and don't lobby to burn Abhidhammists at a burning stake."
This not just allows, but mandates for critical thinking when reading the Suttas.
To make my point clear: 'critical thinking' is ***NOT*** the same as 'rejecting'.
This is not a subtle difference, by the way, as one crucial step to following the Noble Eightfold Path is Right Understanding, which can only follow the development of faith after having gained a sufficient amount of Right Knowledge. This is a process.
What this in detail might be is different for each individual until they have gained their own exact understanding of the True Dhamma by experiencing it -- as, unluckily, thinking about something seriously does not mean that one would reach automatically the right interpretation on the spot. Things would be easy if it were that way, no?
Until then, and it behooves to realize this while talking to others (whose individual progress on the path to Right Understanding is not knowable to anybody but themselves), it is never more than a matter of personal interpretation what the last Buddha might have meant: it is ***merely an opinion on the Dhamma***, not ever an expression of the Dhamma itself.
Those often hotly fought-over opinions, to be noted, are not a modern phenomenon, but have differed already wildly from the contemporaries and direct disciples of the Buddha onwards, who clearly were not in agreement on everything already right after his Parinibbāna.
So coming back to @Manopubbangama; what might be a critera to reject part of the Suttas? They are likely different for everybody. @retrofuturist has described his for the Abhidhamma; personally I get very careful with Suttas, when the Parallels show large differences or even have a storyline which seems inherently more logical. To know if anybody others' or my interpretation of things is "more right" will often be impossible to proove.
The only possible solution to this dilemma, according to the Buddha, would be the personal teaching of the complete True Dhamma by the realized Metteyya. As simply waiting for him is not likely a fruitful endeavour, making do with what my own intellectual and mental faculties allow, is my chosen way forward.
You and I have not always agreed on everything, one thing you said that I disagreed with was:
So I respect your intellectual consistency in responding with a criteria which is parallels showing differences.It is quite interesting, to my mind, that this less threatened, more open view of womanhood spread very quickly throughout Sri Lanka and the whole of maritime Southeast Asia and was only centuries later overcome by Mahaviharan dogmatism (what we call nowadays 'Theravada').
For this reason, the Samyutta is my favorite collection, btw, because I also enjoy this method. When it comes to parallels, it outweighs the Anguttara by quite a bit, also it is rich in pericopes that appear in other tipitika material.
Paul's idea hasn't been clarified yet and the idea that the abhidhamma is a result of the 3rd council is not even settled, but at least you guys attempted to respond instead of just hurling childish insults at someone who asks for internet board clarification.
We indeed know that the adminstrator here, Paul, outright rejects the abhidhamma but doesn't want to burn us at the stake who believe it has Dhammic merit, we don't know exactly why he rejects certain suttas and on what basis he rejects them.