Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

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alfa
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Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by alfa » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:13 pm

Friends :smile:

It's said that all things and events are conditioned. If this arises, that arises. If this ceases, that ceases.

Is nirvana also conditioned?

If yes, then how is it different from samsara?

If no .... well, this is tricky.

Even in Buddha's case, he didn't become liberated all at once. He spent a few years practising ascetic discipline etc. Then one day the conditions arose under which the buddha become liberated (under the bodhi tree). Meaning, it seems that even for nirvana to occur, certain conditions had to be fulfilled. It's not like we - or even the buddha - could just snap our fingers and wish for nirvana to happen just like that. It happens when it will. Nirvana arises when the conditions for nirvana arise. If this arises, that arises - this seems to apply to nirvana too, then.

So ... is nirvana also a conditioned state?

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by Srilankaputra » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 pm

:thumbsup:
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by Srilankaputra » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:23 pm

I would say what is conditioned is viraga. As to what comes after that I have no conception of.
O seeing one,we for refuge go to thee!
O mighty sage do thou our teacher be!

Paccuppannañca yo dhammaṃ,
Tattha tattha vipassati

“Yato yato mano nivāraye,
Na dukkhameti naṃ tato tato;
Sa sabbato mano nivāraye,
Sa sabbato dukkhā pamuccatī”ti.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by Volo » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:28 pm

Mount Fuji is not conditioned by the pathway to the mount Fuji.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by cappuccino » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:41 pm

It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,
the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle,
the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified,
Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety,
the Wonderful, the Marvellous,
Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom,
the Island,
the Refuge, the Beyond.
~ S 43.1-44

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by 2600htz » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:43 pm

Hello:

No, Nibbana is no conditioned phenomena.
The path to nibbana, the noble eightfold path, it is conditioned.

Regards.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by DooDoot » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:38 pm

Its like digging for buried treasure. The treasure already exists but the dirt must be removed that hides the treasure. Nibbana is unconditioned (never coming; never going) but the conditioning must be removed to experience the unconditioned.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by cappuccino » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:46 am

You can't remove the conditioned.

In the first place.

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Re: Nirvana and Conditioned Phenomena

Post by one_awakening » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:15 am

alfa wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:13 pm

...it seems that even for nirvana to occur, certain conditions had to be fulfilled.
Nibanna is unconditioned. The conditions that had to be fufilled only allowed him to see the unconditioned.
“You only lose what you cling to”

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