Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Ven. Buddhaparayana is a strong advocator of the DO in a single thought moment.
That is Dukkha arises (Samudaya) and perishes (Nirodha) instantly.
The video is in Sinhalese language.
Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
I voted Yes.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
If you explanation of dependent origination is different model , then it could be otherwise .
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Greetings,
I assume you mean "thought moment" in an Abhidhammic context, and as such, I can't answer your poll because I don't subscribe to that notion.
Metta,
Paul.
I assume you mean "thought moment" in an Abhidhammic context, and as such, I can't answer your poll because I don't subscribe to that notion.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
No. I do not mean in Abhihamma context of millions of thought moment per second.
Just observing in terms of Satipathana.
Read the following discussion for further details.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33375
Just observing in terms of Satipathana.
Read the following discussion for further details.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33375
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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
'This Dhamma is to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be by the observant for themselves,'
Seen here and now is not the same as at this thought moment. It means what it says literally.
Seen here and now is not the same as at this thought moment. It means what it says literally.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Greetings,
Metta,
Paul.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
I voted 'No'. I can't imagine how all twelve conditions could arise in one thought moment. For example, if we take one thought moment to equal one word, it would take two thought moments to merely generate the idea of "I am" merely for the one nidana of attachment (upadana) to arise.
"I" = one thought moment
"am" = a 2nd thought moment
"this" = a 3rd thought moment
"disciple of Ven. Buddhaparayana" = four more thought moments or 7 thought moments in total
"I" = one thought moment
"am" = a 2nd thought moment
"this" = a 3rd thought moment
"disciple of Ven. Buddhaparayana" = four more thought moments or 7 thought moments in total
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Agree.
However this "here and now" could be one second or lower, sixty second, a day or the lifetime it depends on your concentration.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Agree.
But it does not stop you observing it from beginning to the end.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
What does beginning to the end have to do with Dependent Origination? Been reading Nagarjuna again?
Paticcasummupada = dependent-co-arising = 12 conditions resulting in sorrow, lamentation, grief & despair
You seem to be mixing up Paticcasummupada with Anicca (impermanence)
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Say if the liberation process is you abandon ignorance first , follow by uprooting sankhara which is self view , you still haven't destroyed the craving (greed & hatred) , how is it possible to see it all in one step and in one moment ? Not possible .
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
When you see DO you do not have the craving and ignorance.
Because you just only seen, hear etc. (Bahiya Sutta)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
Its seems DO must have ignorance & craving in it.
This seems to be called "Cessation" rather than "Origination; i.e, "DC" rather than "DO".
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/paticcasamuppada
https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/anapanasati
https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/paticcasamuppada
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Re: Can you see Dependent Origination instantly at this (thought) moment?
The idea that it can be "seen" will likely presuppose that it is an observable phenomena in the classic sense: that it appears directly in some stream of thinking. The dependency in DO/PS is implied, it can be known by virtue of the nature of arisen phenomena. In other words, the relationship/dependency endures as long as ignorance remains (avijjā paccayā sankhārā being the most fundamental of all the pairs of PS/DO). Dependency of that sort does not appear directly in a stream of thoughts: the subtle but profound significance implied with the presence of that stream - any stream, thinking in general, or even just presence in general - is one dependent upon ignorance and vice versa, i.e. that it is "my" stream. That is what matters in the context of DO/PS. Moments are beside this point.
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3