“No Sex” or “Right Sex”?

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Spaciousness
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Maybe when one reaches a certain progress, he/she has no interest in sex as the joy/pleasure/contentment derived from the practice is more superior to orgasm?

For example, when one tasted the Jhanas, for example 1st Jhana, the intense joy and energy could be more powerful than sex itself? so one naturally give up, but still have sex to not upset their wife/husband/partner off. which means, now the practitioner "sacrifice" for sex? LOL.
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Spaciousness wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:54 am Maybe when one reaches a certain progress, he/she has no interest in sex as the joy/pleasure/contentment derived from the practice is more superior to orgasm?

For example, when one tasted the Jhanas, for example 1st Jhana, the intense joy and energy could be more powerful than sex itself? so one naturally give up, but still have sex to not upset their wife/husband/partner off. which means, now the practitioner "sacrifice" for sex? LOL.
Is Jhana intense? An orgasm is intense and then a release.
Would jhana feel the same or more intense?
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thepea wrote:Is Jhana intense? An orgasm is intense and then a release.
Would jhana feel the same or more intense?
The kind of "intensity" of the piti/sukha in the jhanas should not be mistaken for that of sexual orgasm. The latter one is much coarser and hence only lead one downward toward even coarser grades. It's like drinking sea water, the more the thirstier. If indulging way too much into sex, after a while single partner orgasm no longer cuts it and the mind starts wandering and seeking its newer coarser targets. That's why there're swinger parties, orgies, sado-masochism, etc. to intensify the already numbed out sex receptors. Now the former is a complete opposite. The intense level of piti/sukha is only at the start of the jhanas. As one advances further and further to higher jhanas, these become too crude to handle and will be dropped away. And once getting to the 3rd jhana, bot piti and sukha will be completedly dropped. In short, 2 kinds of "intensity" lead to 2 completely different and opposite directions and outcomes.
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Re: “No Sex” or “Right Sex”?

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thepea wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:46 pm
Spaciousness wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:54 am Maybe when one reaches a certain progress, he/she has no interest in sex as the joy/pleasure/contentment derived from the practice is more superior to orgasm?

For example, when one tasted the Jhanas, for example 1st Jhana, the intense joy and energy could be more powerful than sex itself? so one naturally give up, but still have sex to not upset their wife/husband/partner off. which means, now the practitioner "sacrifice" for sex? LOL.
Is Jhana intense? An orgasm is intense and then a release.
Would jhana feel the same or more intense?
Yes, alot more intense than orgasm in 1st Jhana. I will try and describe it but diff people have diff experience. If one has not entered Jhana before, the 1st time can be so intense, that one lost control of the body (can't feel it) and feel like floating or get suck into black hole "swoosh" (like a roller coaster drop) , body can shiver and vibrate, and teeth can rattle (to the point your partner can hear you). At other times, there may be some background tune and everything felt like 4D. But this last only like 30sec or a min and then one "come back" to this 2D world (if it is really intense). It can be unpleasurable if the energy comes in a form of heat. It can get pretty hot that you can literally see some minor evaporation from the shoulder due to the sweat. Of course, this is just the rapture part, the happiness part that follow in the background will be more fun! :tongue:
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StormBorn wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:28 amBhikkhu Bodhi in his The Connected Discourses of the Buddha says (page 1893 note 17) that the "abrahmacariyā" above must be a result of a scribal error, probably introduced after the age of the commentary. But the Chinese parallel which dated a few centuries before (c. 148-180 CE) the commentary also agrees with the Pali version.
I already posted the Middle-Way was first taught in the 1st sermon; which explicitly says the avoidance of sensuality. Bhikkhu Bodhi's view above appears obviously different to the 1st sermon.
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