Jambudipa

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TRobinson465
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Re: Jambudipa

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:12 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so if ur born into the realm of the four great kings? your just born in sri lanka?
There is no "realm". The "Deva" has been wrongly misinterpreted as a Deva realm. Although its not so.

There is a Deva realm and also a Deva clan/tribe. The Deva clan are just normal human beings.

Ok. Sure.
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
Cannot eloborate on Paranimmita Vasavattī without some context.
"That which among men is sixteen hundred years, Visakha, is one night and day of the Paranimmitavasavatti devas, their month has thirty of those days, their year twelve of those months; the lifespan of the Paranimmitavasavatti devas is sixteen thousand of those heavenly years. Now here a certain woman or man, having entered on the Uposatha undertaken with the eight practices, at the break up of the body, after death, may arise to fellowship with the Paranimmitavasavatti devas — such a thing indeed is known, Visakha. It was in connection with this that I have said: Miserable is kingship over men compared with heavenly bliss.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .khan.html

also this although this sutta translates tusita and paranimmitavasavatti to its English meanings.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:14 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so if ur born into the realm of the four great kings? your just born in sri lanka?
There is no "realm". The "Deva" has been wrongly misinterpreted as a Deva realm. Although its not so.

There is a Deva realm and also a Deva clan/tribe. The Deva clan are just normal human beings.
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so what are Tusita and Paranimmita Vasavattī?
Tusita would be a Deva town.

Paranimmita Vasavattī is the 11th Deva relam . These not not human beings.
Oh okay. so this follow up answered my prevoius response. Thanks for the swift reply.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:38 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:52 am
Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 am
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Lord Buddha was not born in Sri Lanka.
So elaborating some more would help is't it?
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

The lie "Lord Buddha was born in Sri Lanka." was popularized in Sri Lanka mainly by an old age novice monk called Meewanapalane Siri Dhammalankara. In addition to that, he had been spreading many more lies. http://panhinda.sirisaddharmaya.net/ is one website that contains a great amount of his foolish ideas. His novice monkhood was canceled in August, 2018 by the relevant bhikkhu chapter in Sri Lanka due to the extensive damage he was causing to the Sasana by distorting the history and Dhamma. The corresponding letter issued by that bhikkhu chapter can be seen here: http://www.trekmentor.com/si/content/book/1136
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am

Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:38 am
The lie "Lord Buddha was born in Sri Lanka." was popularized in Sri Lanka mainly by an old age novice monk called Meewanapalane Siri Dhammalankara. In addition to that, he had been spreading many more lies. http://panhinda.sirisaddharmaya.net/ is one website that contains a great amount of his foolish ideas. His novice monkhood was canceled in August, 2018 by the relevant bhikkhu chapter in Sri Lanka due to the extensive damage he was causing to the Sasana by distorting the history and Dhamma. The corresponding letter issued by that bhikkhu chapter can be seen here: http://www.trekmentor.com/si/content/book/1136
The monk surprised us all with the news. I could not believe it either at first. Although when looking at the information its quite easy to figure out how the history was distorted. That is what I have presented here and I will be here as long as clarification is needed.

You would think home island Buddhists would be happy. It been quite the opposite. This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways. So that is the state of affairs I am afraid.

The Buddhist establishment in Sri Lanka is also up in arms. Partly because they do not understand. Also there seems some strange psychological issue they cannot cope with the news. The monk is being harassed in many ways as a result.
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Here's another lie:
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am
This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways.
That's an example of how these people distort the facts and spread false news to discredit others. Let others see the evidence to support that "10 years" claim.
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by WorldTraveller » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:28 am

Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Here's another lie:
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am
This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways.
That's an example of how these people distort the facts and spread false news to discredit others. Let others see the evidence to support that "10 years" claim.
So far Trekmentor has "0" years in DW. But according to the same interpretation method followed by the Waharaka Cult & co., add a "1" in front of the "0". There you have "10". :rofl:
“Do not go by oral tradition, by lineage of teaching, by hearsay, by a canonical tradition, by logical reasoning, by inferential reasoning, by reasoned cogitation, by the acceptance of a view after pondering it, by the seeming competence of a speaker, or because you think: ‘The ascetic is our guru.’”
- Kālāma-sutta

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:08 am

WorldTraveller wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:28 am
add a "1" in front of the "0". There you have "10".
The truth has been spoken!
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:03 am

Added 2 more references.

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Travels of Marco Polo - By Hugh Murray. Published 1844

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History of Ceylon - By Philalethes, A. M. Oxon. Published 1817

More here
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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