santa100 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:48 pm
James Tan wrote:
Ok then , what about the logic behind per questions I asked ? Why is restlessness in the five hindrances suddenly reappeared in the higher fetters ? And it seems that Attachment to the Formless realm is illogical since many Arahants did not have the arupa jhana ?
What do you mean restlessness "reappears in the higher fetters"? Where do you see it's said in the suttas that the five hindrances were completely eradicated before arahantship? Where do you see it's said that one does not have attachment to formless realm just because s/he doesn't attain arupa jhana? Just because you don't have that beautiful girl in your school automatically mean you never have attachment to her?
Where then the sutta state that ignorance is something of 100% composition ? As long as ignorance is around , wrong view will follows
In other words, you've just reiterated your position that Sotapannas have completely eradicated ignorance? You tried to deny it before but now you're confirming it?
You didn't answer my questions as I provided you with the Sutta and my explanations already . However , you have your own views and not that other must agree with me.
I don't know what you understand of hindrances , unless you take both hindrances and fetters as synonym but my understanding is , hindrances as an initial obstacles need to subdue so that to enable to reach the jhana and NOT to eradicate them .
According to Ajahn Brahmavamso :
The deliberate idea of overcoming these five hindrances is important because it is the five hindrances that block the door to the jhāna.
Ajahn Brahmavamso states:
Restlessness [uddhacca] is overcome by developing contentment, which is the opposite of fault-finding.
The Question I asked is Desire for formless realm but how do you explain if that person Never Know formless realm therefore where is the Desire for it come into the picture ?
As for ignorance , per sn45.1 the sutta already said , when there is ignorance there is wrong view . When there is Knowledge there is right view .
If there's no further information you could offer then wish you have a good day .