chownah wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:27 am
Determinism is a rigid statement about what can happen......dependent origination is a description of what happens in certain instances.......seems like to compare them is like comparing apples and oranges.
Determinism can also be a description of what happens in certain instances, and dependent origination do not compromise clarity. The Buddha said:
Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.
The above can be interpreted as rigid, but it does not have to be this way, both in relation to determinism and dependent origination
Dependent origination can be one interpretation which arises within a matrix of determinism just like free will can be one interpretation which arises within a matrix of determinism just like "making a decision" can be one interpretation which arise within a matrix of determinism.
Similarly, determinism and free will can be both one interpretation using dependent origination to explain them.
I think that really people should just admit the fact that determinism is a fabricated idea which both in practice and in theory can not be shown to be true or false......so all the discussion surrounding it is just unsupportable conjecture.....
I respectfully disagree. Dependent origination is in itself a fabrication which explains suffering hence the aim of Buddhist practice is to break free from it.
Can someone show some benefit for accepting determinism as the way things really are?.....there seems to be alot of suffering by those who do so.
Can someone show some benefit for accepting dependent origination as the way things really are?....there seems to be alot of suttas which claim that there is.
Most scientists are determinists as well as most Buddhists according to Dr. David's statement (which i happened to agree with). This does not stop them from trying to end suffering.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.