Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by StormBorn » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:46 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:26 pm
Any person who criticise Buddhist rituals, stories, Vinaya etc. should understand this protecting layer.
Perhaps this is a natural protection.
Buddha started teaching to an already very ritualistic India. But in suttas you can see when those other ascetics and Brahmins met the Buddha, he taught them a wholesome change towards the bodily and verbal behaviour what we generally call ethics/virtue (see the sila description of the DN 2). He newer subscribed them to rituals such as 3 x per day oil lamp offering to himself. Rituals are dependencies, and that's why sotapannas would drop that fetter (silabbataparaamaasa) forever. Then saying rituals are a protection is similar to saying paedophilia is needed to keep the need to rape woman at bay.

Perhaps, a wrapper/s of rituals are a protection to hide the lack of True Dhamma. :smile:

Stories and Vinaya also need to see individually in the light of guidelines given to Lady Visakha in AN 8.53.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by binocular » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:29 am

Sam Vara wrote:
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What you did was to take your own unfortunate experience and claim that it was "usual". I'm happy to substitute a different word if it does more justice to that process.
What you (and several others) are doing is taking your own standards of sensitivity and assume them to be universal, and then you impose them on others.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by Sam Vara » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:52 am

binocular wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:29 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:02 pm
What you did was to take your own unfortunate experience and claim that it was "usual". I'm happy to substitute a different word if it does more justice to that process.
What you (and several others) are doing is taking your own standards of sensitivity and assume them to be universal, and then you impose them on others.
I can't speak for others, but that's not what I'm doing at all. I have no interest as to why you think you are "different"; merely pointing out that the reports of your experiences are strongly atypical, and should not be used as a basis for generalisation.

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by rightviewftw » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:36 am

binocular wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:49 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:16 pm
I think the online medium is great but it would be very demanding. If there is a coaching site with an active forum with a handful of presumed Faith-Followers, Dhamma-followers and Stream-Enterers there would be a demand to create content like Dhamma-talks, articles, attending to Q/A and to moderate the discussions as well as dealing with administrative tasks. That will require more or less of a full-time dedication from some of them.
With the practice of proper respect and veneration, there is very little demand for Dhamma talks, articles, Q&A sessions, individual consultations etc.

The "Asian model" of prioritizing the practice of respect and veneration minimizes the person's questions about the Dhamma and radically streamlines the rest.

This "Asian model", however, is not particularly suitable for the online environment, at least not for newcomers.
Not sure what you mean by minimizes and a very little demand, for the Sutta Pitaka itself was compiled as exactly that which is supposed to be of little demand for in the presence of veneration according to you. Anyway i am most curious about these rl asian communities comprised of ariyans, do you have some particular groups in mind? For i personally only know of but a few particular monks whom i think to possibly be ariyan.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by AgarikaJ » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:17 am

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:20 pm
thang wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:10 pm
3. Gang up against Theravada views
What are these views? Theravadin designation seems to be quite tolerant and diverse in views.
There is the issue that in the West, very often the Buddhist eco-system that would surround you in Asia is completely missing. There simply is no temple at the end of the next street, where you would find a teacher.

As such, many use the internet as their teacher. This gives very easy access to all the scripture -- much better one than you would have in very many Thai temples I have been in -- but it comes with the burden that you will need to make sense out of it all. It is a fact that very many on the forums are on the first steps of their journey. Therefore, of course there are critical questions.

While practice progresses, positions might change, understanding could happen, even a chance that faith will be created.

I see the forums I know as us being our own teachers, collectively gaining wisdom. This is not an efficient process, but for many the only they have.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by rightviewftw » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:43 pm

AgarikaJ wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:17 am
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:20 pm
thang wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:10 pm
3. Gang up against Theravada views
What are these views? Theravadin designation seems to be quite tolerant and diverse in views.
There is the issue that in the West, very often the Buddhist eco-system that would surround you in Asia is completely missing. There simply is no temple at the end of the next street, where you would find a teacher.

As such, many use the internet as their teacher. This gives very easy access to all the scripture -- much better one than you would have in very many Thai temples I have been in -- but it comes with the burden that you will need to make sense out of it all. It is a fact that very many on the forums are on the first steps of their journey. Therefore, of course there are critical questions.

While practice progresses, positions might change, understanding could happen, even a chance that faith will be created.

I see the forums I know as us being our own teachers, collectively gaining wisdom. This is not an efficient process, but for many the only they have.
What i meant is that there are various disagreements within Theravada.
IE here are some well-known Theravadins

1. Ven. Nanavira
2. Ven. B Bodhi
3. Ven. Thanissaro
4. Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw
5. Ven. Maha Boowa
6. Ven. A Mun

Now there are many disagreements between these people but their views are still largely albeit not universally considered to be Theravada.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by DooDoot » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:43 pm
here are some well-known Theravadins

1. Ven. Nanavira
2. Ven. B Bodhi
3. Ven. Thanissaro
4. Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw
5. Ven. Maha Boowa
6. Ven. A Mun

Now there are many disagreements between these people but their views are still largely albeit not universally considered to be Theravada.
By whom? Who is the arbiter that decides these views are Theravada? Who is this God? :shrug:

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Post by xofz » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:08 am

This is the good Theravadan forum.

At ease! Trifling matters are of no concern, and grave issues must be dealt with directly. How much of our inner suffering is just a manifestation of our own ego-conception? Let us be joyful that there is a forum dedicated to people who think it is ok to do some Buddha every once in a while.
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by StormBorn » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:34 am

xofz wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:08 am
This is the good Theravadan forum.
It's not perfect (which is natural in this imperfect world) but no doubt this indeed a good forum. :smile:
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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by DNS » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:39 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:43 pm
here are some well-known Theravadins

1. Ven. Nanavira
2. Ven. B Bodhi
3. Ven. Thanissaro
4. Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw
5. Ven. Maha Boowa
6. Ven. A Mun

Now there are many disagreements between these people but their views are still largely albeit not universally considered to be Theravada.
By whom? Who is the arbiter that decides these views are Theravada? Who is this God? :shrug:
Yes, exactly and this is precisely the problem with Dhamma-policing; who decides? I can think of several knowledgeable Theravadins who would disagree with the bhikkhus mentioned above, claiming they have eternalist views, semi-eternalism and/or other alleged wrong views.

So which one is right? That is why we have to allow a plethora of views and discussion; other than the obvious when someone claims Jesus is the way, the only way, everyone else be damned, then that's obviously not for this forum. For other differences of views within Theravada, all can be heard here.

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by rightviewftw » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:31 am

rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:43 pm
here are some well-known Theravadins

1. Ven. Nanavira
2. Ven. B Bodhi
3. Ven. Thanissaro
4. Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw
5. Ven. Maha Boowa
6. Ven. A Mun

Now there are many disagreements between these people but their views are still largely albeit not universally considered to be Theravada.
DNS wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:39 am
[...] I can think of several knowledgeable Theravadins who would disagree with the bhikkhus mentioned above, claiming they have eternalist views, semi-eternalism and/or other alleged wrong views.

So which one is right? That is why we have to allow a plethora of views and discussion; other than the obvious when someone claims Jesus is the way, the only way, everyone else be damned, then that's obviously not for this forum. For other differences of views within Theravada, all can be heard here.
i think this should be made a lot more clear to the public for the vast majority has no clue about the variety of contradictory views that constitutes Theravada Buddhism.
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Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by DooDoot » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:52 am

rightviewftw wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:31 am
i think this should be made a lot more clear to the public for the vast majority has no clue about the variety of contradictory views that constitutes Theravada Buddhism.
Personally, I think Buddhism is a very individual thing. Individuals find their way to teachers suitable for their individual disposition. When the student is ready, the teacher appears. For me, Buddhism is not a "public" affair. Our duty is to practise (rather than engage in Judaic-Islamic Anti-Apostasy). In short, DW seems to be a pretty good forum. It appears very tolerant and inclusive to me.

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by budo » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am

Arguing which monk is right or wrong is purely mental masturbation preventing you from attaining anything. In no way does pulling the cart before the horse benefit you.

You're trying to grasp the unknown without doing the necessary footwork. There is no shortcut, no easy way out, you have to sit down and meditate until you figure it out for yourself, which is what the Buddha told people, to see for yourself.

The question is, are you honest with yourself on how happy you are? how much you suffer day to day? caught up in pointless drama and mental masturbation? wasting time and your precious human life.

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Re: Will we ever find a good Theravada Forum

Post by Bundokji » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:57 am

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:52 am
Personally, I think Buddhism is a very individual thing. Individuals find their way to teachers suitable for their individual disposition. When the student is ready, the teacher appears. For me, Buddhism is not a "public" affair. Our duty is to practise (rather than engage in Jewish-Islamic Anti-Apostasy).
Earlier today i was reading about Ananda's "personal path" :anjali:
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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