Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

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Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by sentinel » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:04 am

Greetings ,


garlic 蒜(laśuna)、
onion 蔥(latārka)、
Macrostem onion 小根菜(palāṇḍu)、
leek 韮(gṛñjana)、
Asafoetida (english?) 興渠(hiṅgu).

Does all above ingredients was not allowed by the Buddha for the monastic to consume according to vinaya ?
Are there any other stuff that not allowed ?

Thanks .
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Re: Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by Volo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:18 am

Garlic is prohibited unless one is ill and garlic can be a remedy:
There is a prohibition against eating garlic unless one is ill. According to the Commentary, ill here means any illness for which garlic is a cure. Traditionally, garlic is used as an antibiotic and to ward off colds and flu. According to current medical knowledge, it also helps prevent high blood cholesterol. Although Asian food often contains garlic as an ingredient, none of the texts mention the use of garlic mixed in with food. Perhaps it is allowable on the grounds of being a digestive aid. An alternative interpretation, accepted by many Communities, is that the original prohibition is against eating garlic by itself. Following this interpretation, garlic mixed with other ingredients would be allowable even when one is not ill.
(BMC by Ven. Thanissaro)
But I haven't heard about the prohibition of the other items you've mentioned.
Are there any other stuff that not allowed ?
Some types of meat for example:
The Mahāvagga (Mv.VI.23.9-15) forbids ten kinds of flesh: that of human beings, elephants, horses, dogs, snakes, lions, tigers, leopards, bears, and hyenas. To eat human flesh entails a thullaccaya; to eat any of the other unallowable types, a dukkaṭa. Human beings, horses, and elephants were regarded as too noble to be used as food. The other types of meat were forbidden either on grounds that they were repulsive ... or dangerous (bhikkhus, smelling of lion’s flesh, went into the jungle; the lions there, instead of criticizing or complaining, attacked them).
(BMC, Ven. Thanissaro)

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Re: Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by seeker242 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:56 pm

Exclusion of the "Five Pungent herbs" is a Mahayana vow from the Bodhisattva Precepts in the Brahma's Net Sutra. Popular in East Asian Mahayana. :smile:

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Re: Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by salayatananirodha » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:02 am

I was wondering about this today/lately. How can it be when monks are to accept what is given to them?
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Re: Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:41 pm

salayatananirodha wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:02 am
I was wondering about this today/lately. How can it be when monks are to accept what is given to them?
The Vinaya requirement is not that we have to accept what's given to us, but rather that we can't consume any edible unless it has been given to us.

In the case of being offered garlic, the answer is in Volovsky's quotation from Ajahn Thanissaro's BMC:

"An alternative interpretation, accepted by many Communities, is that the original prohibition is against eating garlic by itself. Following this interpretation, garlic mixed with other ingredients would be allowable even when one is not ill."

Though if my experience in Thailand is anything to go by, one might need to replace "many Communities" with "virtually all Communities".
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Re: Does this five pungent flavours prohibited for monastic consumption ?

Post by SarathW » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:59 pm

The strange thing is I can recall my mother used to make special garlic dish for the Dana thinking it is good for monks.
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